Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if that was the only way to beat him without prep..yes.Batman would probably figure out pretty quickly that hes not. He figured out DD was blind pretty quickly as well.
A. I just love how you think Bat's would bomb his own friggen city just to kill one bastard.
How did "I wont let anyone else suffer like I did" suddenly become "F*ck 'em , it's my godamned city and I'll blow up who I want when I want"
B. Thats non-canon
I see Batman taking this one to a point, his normal weapons wouldn’t work or fighting because of no pain receptors and the like but one he finds out that he is not alive then he doesn’t have to hold back with his gadgets. Batman is way to fast and a skilled fighter to be taken down by T2 plus he would have more weapons at his despoil then T2.
Why hasnt anybody made this matchup yet? Oh and the reason why I said that Batman tells Robin to let Batman handle it is because, although Robin always wants to be able to defend himself, Batman always assumes that if somebody makes a threat to kill or hurt him or Robin, that they have the ability to do it. Besides, Batman doesn't even let Robin go up against Two-Face alone lol.
Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
Batman isn't one for running away from a fight. He'd find a way to defeat Terminator.
Batman is smart enough to know when he CAN'T win a fight.
He'd run from the terminator.
Not so much a 'retreat' as a 'strategic withdrawal,' though. Assuming this were in Gotham, he'd lure the Terminator somewhere where he could take advantage of the environment. Or he'd lure the Terminator into a de-populated area, and use the Batwing to drop some batbombs.
I don’t know why everyone is giving so much credit to the Terminator, he is just an advanced robot and Batman has fought many like him or villains that are stronger, smarter and faster. If he was going toe to toe without his utility belt then it would be no contest but with the environment and utility belt the Terminator is going down especially when Bats doesn’t have to hold back. Well placed shots to the eyes, small explosives down his throat or electrical charges will disrupt his systems. The Terminator will only have period weapons so he will not have any access to lasers, bombs or what ever unless he can find them on the street.
Shots to the eyes? You're kidding me.
Small explosives? Unless he is chunking toluene down his throat, I doubt it's going to have much of an effect on his chassis.
Also, electrical charges are all but useless, last I saw.
I can't think of a thing in Batman's utility belt that will be of use in this battle, save for grapple guns and teleporters to get the **** out of dodge in order to regroup.
Originally posted by SoljerThe eyes are still mechanical and breakable, with the precision or Batman and the batarag he can shatter them. The outside skeleton of the T-100 is strong but the inside isn’t and they are vulnerable to strong electrical charges. Plus Batman has a wide range of acids that eats metal that can be placed in critical spots such as joints, fasteners and wiring. The T-100 brings nothing new to the table that he hasn’t already dealt with time and time again.
Shots to the eyes? You're kidding me.Small explosives? Unless he is chunking toluene down his throat, I doubt it's going to have much of an effect on his chassis.
Also, electrical charges are all but useless, last I saw.
I can't think of a thing in Batman's utility belt that will be of use in this battle, save for grapple guns and teleporters to get the **** out of dodge in order to regroup.
Originally posted by ThePittman
The eyes are still mechanical and breakable, with the precision or Batman and the batarag he can shatter them. The outside skeleton of the T-100 is strong but the inside isn’t and they are vulnerable to strong electrical charges. Plus Batman has a wide range of acids that eats metal that can be placed in critical spots such as joints, fasteners and wiring. The T-100 brings nothing new to the table that he hasn’t already dealt with time and time again.
T-800. Model 101. Not T-100.
T-100 were junk.
Anyways, the eyes are hardly damagable. Terminators have gotten shot point blank with shotguns with no ill effect, I doubt a batarang is gonna do much.
They've also been subject to electrical strikes, which were simply dispersed.
Not to mention the fact that Batman hardly has enough acid in his utility belt (if he even normally carries it at all - I didn't think high molar Muriatic Acid was standard equipment for batman) to melt through the Terminators armor.
ALSO, you act as if the servos and wiring are just totally exposed and easily accessible. These things have been engineered to kill humans. And they're damn good at it. A single Terminator versus Batman in an arena scenario? That terminator is winning every damn time.
In a city-scape, where batman can use his surroundings? That MAY change things. But Batman isn't pulling a damn thing out of his PIS-belt to save his ass from Arnie.
maybe the termiator was blown up only cause his armour had taken such a beating, i mean the thing survived being hit by a mack truck and he still got up only with a little limp i think, then he survived another explosion that burned off its skin didnt it, i think he got harmed probably cause the explosive was put into a area of the terminator that is weak to attack, why are they using this version against bats, why not a t-x or t-1000
A shotgun blast to the face will not do didly squat to metal, a piercing round from either a high caliber gun or pistol will shatter the eyes for either the T-100 or T800/T-850. The major upgrades between the two models were more in the outer flesh and the shock resistance in the combat chassis with some other minor improvements. Will a stun gun work against them, no but hit them with something over a 220volt line and that will disrupt their systems, not drop him but mess with his CPU. Now if you hit him with a main line then it will probably fry his CPU or wiring.
Batman is far better fighter then anything in Terminators time, most of the humans during that time period are refuges and do not have access to the technology, resources and skills that Batman possesses. Plus with the T-800 not being alive Batman doesn’t have to hold back, the skin is no problem and easily removed and for someone that is so skilled in nerve strikes finding the joints of the T-800 is no problem.
I don’t know why every one keeps thinking he will run away and cowards from him, Batman fights advanced robots like this, and hell he builds them for Pete sake. He fights the likes of Brainaic (sp?) and most of his villains have as much or more strength, faster speed and deadlier weapons. These Terminators are effective killing machines because they are machines and they are produces in mass numbers, they don’t get tired, eat or need to sleep and can think as one but alone they aare not that powerful.
Originally posted by ThePittman
A shotgun blast to the face will not do didly squat to metal, a piercing round from either a high caliber gun or pistol will shatter the eyes for either the T-100 or T800/T-850. The major upgrades between the two models were more in the outer flesh and the shock resistance in the combat chassis with some other minor improvements. Will a stun gun work against them, no but hit them with something over a 220volt line and that will disrupt their systems, not drop him but mess with his CPU. Now if you hit him with a main line then it will probably fry his CPU or wiring.Batman is far better fighter then anything in Terminators time, most of the humans during that time period are refuges and do not have access to the technology, resources and skills that Batman possesses. Plus with the T-800 not being alive Batman doesn’t have to hold back, the skin is no problem and easily removed and for someone that is so skilled in nerve strikes finding the joints of the T-800 is no problem.
I don’t know why every one keeps thinking he will run away and cowards from him, Batman fights advanced robots like this, and hell he builds them for Pete sake. He fights the likes of Brainaic (sp?) and most of his villains have as much or more strength, faster speed and deadlier weapons. These Terminators are effective killing machines because they are machines and they are produces in mass numbers, they don’t get tired, eat or need to sleep and can think as one but alone they aare not that powerful.
A shotgun blast to the face may not do diddly squat to metal, but it sure as hell did shit-all to a terminator.
Also, how often does Batman carry high caliber armor piercing firearms in his utility belt? Oh...that's right.
Also, we NEVER see a T-100 in the films. Never. Even T-600's are only referred to in brief. I believe that the T-500 model was the first 'cyborg' terminator.
Also, Skynet isn't dumb, it made it's terminators for combat, it's systems and CPU are protected in the endoskeleton, and are protected against power surges for that very reason.
Batman being a good fighter means shit all to someone who doesn't feel pain and can't really break a bone. The Skin is HARDLY easily removed, it acts mostly like real skin. You could peel your skin off much the same way as Arnie did in the film, if you could stomach it. The Terminator's skin isn't coming off any easier than any other person Batman fights.
Also, finding a joint may be simple for batman, but what exactly is he gonna do when he finds one? Apply a submission move to a being who can't feel pain and will simply rip Batman's head off for his trouble? Errmmm..okay.
Besides, Batman is just LUCKY that this isn't a T-850. The T-850 was upgraded beyond what you claim as 'minor chassis modifications.' It was vastly stronger and faster, able to keep up with a T-freaking-X in hand to hand combat for a short period. It also had improved armor against the resistance's increasing supply of plasma weapons, and carried two hydrogen fuel cells instead of one.
Originally posted by SoljerSkynet isn’t perfect either, it is a learning computer and redesigns it models to meet its needs. The T models are infantry units that root out resistance cells but it is the bigger machines that do the most damage. If this is an arena fight then as I have said before Bats doesn’t stand a chance plus I have never said that he would be doing nerve strikes against the Terminator. Batman’s knowledge of robotics and his powers of deduction will more than enough for him to stop the T-800. Plus he has the resources of the city, bat-cave and the knowledge of the city that the T-800 doesn’t, plus it is sent to kill Tim Drake so Batman is not the primary target and Robin can keep dodging him to give time for Batman to get the tools that he needs either from the bat-cave or in the city.
A shotgun blast to the face may not do diddly squat to metal, but it sure as hell did shit-all to a terminator.Also, how often does Batman carry high caliber armor piercing firearms in his utility belt? Oh...that's right.
Also, we NEVER see a T-100 in the films. Never. Even T-600's are only referred to in brief. I believe that the T-500 model was the first 'cyborg' terminator.
Also, Skynet isn't dumb, it made it's terminators for combat, it's systems and CPU are protected in the endoskeleton, and are protected against power surges for that very reason.
Batman being a good fighter means shit all to someone who doesn't feel pain and can't really break a bone. The Skin is HARDLY easily removed, it acts mostly like real skin. You could peel your skin off much the same way as Arnie did in the film, if you could stomach it. The Terminator's skin isn't coming off any easier than any other person Batman fights.
Also, finding a joint may be simple for batman, but what exactly is he gonna do when he finds one? Apply a submission move to a being who can't feel pain and will simply rip Batman's head off for his trouble? Errmmm..okay.
Besides, Batman is just LUCKY that this isn't a T-850. The T-850 was upgraded beyond what you claim as 'minor chassis modifications.' It was vastly stronger and faster, able to keep up with a T-freaking-X in hand to hand combat for a short period. It also had improved armor against the resistance's increasing supply of plasma weapons, and carried two hydrogen fuel cells instead of one.
There are so many ways of removing the skin it not even funny, from acid to burring to blasting it off to name a few. Also I’ve seen the chaise damaged and dented by large caliber bullets so an armor piercing bullet would go right through which he could either obtain from personal stock (assuming that he has them) or from gun stores, police stations or where ever. He wouldn’t even need to leave the fight to get many things that he need, he can radio to Alfred and he loads up what ever he needs and the bat wing auto flies it out to him even his robot amour.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Skynet isn’t perfect either, it is a learning computer and redesigns it models to meet its needs. The T models are infantry units that root out resistance cells but it is the bigger machines that do the most damage. If this is an arena fight then as I have said before Bats doesn’t stand a chance plus I have never said that he would be doing nerve strikes against the Terminator. Batman’s knowledge of robotics and his powers of deduction will more than enough for him to stop the T-800. Plus he has the resources of the city, bat-cave and the knowledge of the city that the T-800 doesn’t, plus it is sent to kill Tim Drake so Batman is not the primary target and Robin can keep dodging him to give time for Batman to get the tools that he needs either from the bat-cave or in the city.There are so many ways of removing the skin it not even funny, from acid to burring to blasting it off to name a few. Also I’ve seen the chaise damaged and dented by large caliber bullets so an armor piercing bullet would go right through which he could either obtain from personal stock (assuming that he has them) or from gun stores, police stations or where ever. He wouldn’t even need to leave the fight to get many things that he need, he can radio to Alfred and he loads up what ever he needs and the bat wing auto flies it out to him even his robot amour.
I never claimed that Batman WOULDN'T be able to beat the Terminator in Gotham. Just that he wouldn't be able to beat it in a random encounter with nothing but his utility belt.
If he goes and calls in the batwing, or something of the sort, that's different. That's using his environment, which is what I argue'd batman'd do in the first place.
Re: Re: Batman vs Terminator
Originally posted by Alfheim
There is big possibility that Batman will be able to tell that the Terminator is not a normal person. Batman was able to detect that Daredevil was blind very quickly.Batman would actually probably win this. The guy in the first terminator was able to blow it up. Batman has explosive on his utility belt and if he places them strategically he can blow the Terminator up.
Batman wasnt able to tell DD was blind quickly. He doesnt even know at all. He spent hours with him during the night and stated either DD was practiced or had sensory enhancements.
Secondly, the guy in the first terminator knew about the terminator. He knew Sarah was the target and that the terminator was going for her. He knew all about him(Ahnold). Does he get his weapons in this fight? Futuristic or todays weaponry?