Prodigy vs Captain America

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He would technically know all of Captain America's moves, (as well as Lady Shiva's, Shang Chi's, Batman's, Iron Fist's, Connor Hawke's and Batgirl's) so in that way he could read anything Captain America was about to do. He gleans knowledge from those around him.

That's wonderful, but unless he has a big advantage over Cap BESIDES skill (Chi, body-reading, or the Iron Fist, namely), he's still way too slow to be able to keep up with Captain America in a fight.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Not experience though. Cap would beat him in the end.

Disclaimer it's from a Dani Moonstar/Emma Frost worst-fear-come-true thing. But arguably completely possible.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's wonderful, but unless he has a big advantage over Cap BESIDES skill (Chi, body-reading, or the Iron Fist, namely), he's still way too slow to be able to keep up with Captain America in a fight.

Edit: Meh for argument's sake let's say:
A) He can do chi related things.
B) He can't do chi related things.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm, now that's the thing I don't get. Captain America does the whole take down stronger people thing, because apparently he has skill. Here David would have the combined martial arts knowledge of 7 high end martial artists (among them Captain America)... and yet...

Did I say a thing about strength? 😬

I said that David would lack the SPEED necessary to keep up with Captain America.

Unless you're Karate Kid, there is NO qualifier for skill covering speed gaps. Strength? Sure. Durability? Sure. Speed? Not really.

EDIT: Not to mention the fact that many of these martial artist's skills overlap. As I said before, take a blue belt, combine him with a black belt, you still got a black belt.

Take two black belts, combine them, still a black belt. Skills aren't stackable.

The 7 of them likely have different knowledge and experience to glean and amalgamate. See above for new edit.

Originally posted by Soljer
Take two black belts, combine them, still a black belt. Skills aren't stackable.

Well, this would be like karate+nujistu+tiw kun doe+judo+kung fo+ any other martial art they have between them and also all cap has!
I may have to change my anwser

Sorry I can't spell worth shit

Originally posted by Entity
Well, this would be like karate+nujistu+tiw kun doe+judo+kung fo+ any other martial art they have between them and also all cap has!
I may have to change my anwser

Sorry I can't spell worth shit

Batman already has all those, plus another 122. Do you see my point yet? Batman's already a master of 127 martial arts, it's doubtful that anyone is gonna bring anything to the table that Batman doesn't already know. Not saying that the extra information won't refine the skills, and I'm not saying Batman is as good as you can get.

Just that there is gonna be a lot of overlap, so the skills don't perfectly stack.

Assuming Prodigy can Chi amp, he wins 10/10.

Assuming he can't, he loses 8/10.

Bump.

Capt. America finds a way to win.

Didn't Prodigy make Wolverine look like a fool in H2H combat?

Prodigy dodged random electricity fire, because he knew where it would end up. I dont see Captain America's punching speed being faster 😐

http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmu07dy1.jpg

Would Chi amping and the Iron Fist itself be considered 'powers' or 'skills'?

For Iron Fist it would be considered a true superpower because Danny was given enhanced KI by a mystical dragon after defeating it.

Didn't Prodigy make Wolverine look like a fool in H2H combat?

A lot of street level fighters make Logan look bad for example Mr.X, Ironfist, Daredevil, Electra. Don't get me wrong Logan is good but when his animal instincts take over he fights sloppy as to the why he looks like a fool at times.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Prodigy dodged random electricity fire, because he knew where it would end up. I dont see Captain America's punching speed being faster 😐

http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmu07dy1.jpg

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And Captain America, Wolverine, Spiderman, and friggin Mary Jane have all dodged lasers.

So does that mean that NO ONE will ever hit ANY ONE on the forums? Don't think so.

Originally posted by Accel
Didn't Prodigy make Wolverine look like a fool in H2H combat?

Wolverine said he was holding back.

And odds are, he was. A lot.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm, now that's the thing I don't get. Captain America does the whole take down stronger people thing, because apparently he has skill. Here David would have the combined martial arts knowledge of 7 high end martial artists (among them Captain America)... and yet...

Yes but its not just about power its about speed as well. In order to copy a martial artist you need to have conditioning. For example you can watch a weight lifter and learn his technique but even if you learn his technique you wont be able to lift the amonut of weight he does until you have built up strength.

In the case of martial arts its not just strength but reflexes as well.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Edit: Meh for argument's sake let's say:
A) He can do chi related things.
B) He can't do chi related things.

Same thing you cant learn chi from watching somebody. Prodigy would have had to have spent some time meditating or doing breathing exercises. Prodigy powers give him knowledge not conditioning.

Furthermore Iron Fists chi powers were gained through a mystical ritual so Prodigy wont be getting those.

All your going to have is a physically inferior martial artist against a superhuman martial artist who arguably know most of what the other 7 martial artists know and he also has long range attack if he wants.

Oh yeah then theres experience as well. As you said your scans were hypothetical.

This is the sort of thing that would happen to Prodigy

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http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3034161pe.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3034178kq.jpg

Originally posted by Soljer
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And Captain America, Wolverine, Spiderman, and friggin Mary Jane have all dodged lasers.

So does that mean that NO ONE will ever hit ANY ONE on the forums? Don't think so.

eh, however with Prodigy it is more because he is actually in KNOWS what the other person is thinking. Unlike the computer that alfheim just posted scans of, Prodigy knows what Cap will do before Cap does it.

A sort of crude comparison can be made for a character briefly put in Birds of Prey that could block and defeat Shiva (all the time) because he knew what she would do before she did it.

.....eh I dont care much, Ive been very non debating lately....eh guess I'm waiting until the tourney finals.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
eh, however with Prodigy it is more because he is actually in KNOWS what the other person is thinking. Unlike the computer that alfheim just posted scans of, Prodigy knows what Cap will do before Cap does it.

A sort of crude comparison can be made for a character briefly put in Birds of Prey that could block and defeat Shiva (all the time) because he knew what she would do before she did it.

.....eh I dont care much, Ive been very non debating lately....eh guess I'm waiting until the tourney finals.

This could be a similar thing to Daredevil where he dodges attacks because he knows whats going to happen next. The only problem is that if the opponent is physically superior all he knows is hes going to get beaten up because he wont have the reflexes to dodge.