Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus has done it.
Gee, you think I missed that comic somehow?
Colossus fight was different and they were jobbing. Colossus wouldn't resist any of Hellion's TK, get the **** outta here. Hellion can crush him, he blew straight through a O*N*E Sentinel.
Hellion's pretty much one of the strongest TK users in the marvel verse now, he can stalemate IW. He lacks a bit control, but has better offensive capabilities.
Mercury's the shorter metal version of reed. Rockslide's the slightly weaker version of the Thing. Elixir can kill most of them with a touch. X-23 can slice 'em up good and has far better martial arts skill. Surge's faster than any of them. Dust's pretty versatile, though the Torch is better.
We saw that they can work as a team in WWH: X-men, so it's not like this is the first time they're ever working together. They know how to work in unison.
If you give the F4 powerset and intelligence to a non 60 year old superhero #1 favourite team, they'd lose.
How about giving them LOA and Gentle?
Originally posted by llagrokIs Hellion still at those power levels though?
Gee, you think I missed that comic somehow?Colossus fight was different and they were jobbing. Colossus wouldn't resist any of Hellion's TK, get the **** outta here. Hellion can crush him, he blew straight through a O*N*E Sentinel.
Hellion's pretty much one of the strongest TK users in the marvel verse now, he can stalemate IW. He lacks a bit control, but has better offensive capabilities.
Mercury's the shorter metal version of reed. Rockslide's the slightly weaker version of the Thing. Elixir can kill most of them with a touch. X-23 can slice 'em up good and has far better martial arts skill. Surge's faster than any of them. Dust's pretty versatile, though the Torch is better.
We saw that they can work as a team in WWH: X-men, so it's not like this is the first time they're ever working together. They know how to work in unison.
If you give the F4 powerset and intelligence to a non 60 year old superhero #1 favourite team, they'd lose.
How about giving them LOA and Gentle?
Colossus wasn't even trying to hurt them either during their battle. Imagine if he was?
Basically these guys are not match for the FF.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Is Hellion still at those power levels though?Colossus wasn't even trying to hurt them either during their battle. Imagine if he was?
Basically these guys are not match for the FF.
Wrong again.
Hellion is at that power level permanently. Go read, go check his sessions with Beast. Go, go, have fun.
You take one poor showing against a class 90/100 to contradict a recent great showings against the Hulk? Or a great showing against Nimrod? Who beat the combined efforts of Classic Juggernaut and the x-men? And killed several Hellfire members?
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F4 has good prep feats, no need to downgrade New x-men because of that. Not saying the F4 would lose, but a lot of their feats only happened because they happen to be the main characters.
Originally posted by llagrok
Gee, you think I missed that comic somehow?Colossus fight was different and they were jobbing. Colossus wouldn't resist any of Hellion's TK, get the **** outta here. Hellion can crush him, he blew straight through a O*N*E Sentinel.
Hellion's pretty much one of the strongest TK users in the marvel verse now, he can stalemate IW. He lacks a bit control, but has better offensive capabilities.
Mercury's the shorter metal version of reed. Rockslide's the slightly weaker version of the Thing. Elixir can kill most of them with a touch. X-23 can slice 'em up good and has far better martial arts skill. Surge's faster than any of them. Dust's pretty versatile, though the Torch is better.
We saw that they can work as a team in WWH: X-men, so it's not like this is the first time they're ever working together. They know how to work in unison.
If you give the F4 powerset and intelligence to a non 60 year old superhero #1 favourite team, they'd lose.
How about giving them LOA and Gentle?
The thing is Colossus is just plain stronger then Hellions telekinesis. If he tried to crush him, Colossus would have just over powered his telekinesis, causing a backlash of telekinetic energy... which is exactly what he did. No was jobbing, right now the New X-Men are just inexperienced C list heroes who don't have what it takes to dance with the big boys.
Colossus walked all over the New X-Men. The Hulk (holding back and lacking a healing factor) walked all over the New X-Men. It wouldn't be any different for the Thing.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The thing is Colossus is just plain stronger then Hellions telekinesis. If he tried to crush him, Colossus would have just over powered his telekinesis, causing a backlash of telekinetic energy... which is exactly what he did. No was jobbing, right now the New X-Men are just inexperienced C list heroes who don't have what it takes to dance with the big boys.Colossus walked all over the New X-Men. The Hulk (holding back and lacking a healing factor) walked all over the New X-Men. It wouldn't be any different for the Thing.
You see, this is where you're wrong.
You think a class Alpha telekinetic at full potential isn't stronger than a class 90/100?
THEN HOW THE **** DID NATE GREY EVER PUNCH APART HOLOCAUST OR APOCALYPSE?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
By being vastly superior to Hellion?
How do you know the extent of Hellion's telekinesis?
They've all stated that he's one of the strongest ones there is. You're underestimating him so much is just ridiculous. I'd say his telekinesis is at the same level of Exodus'.
Turns out I was wrong though. Emma Frost toned him down again, so he's not at his max again.
I agree with you 🙂
Originally posted by llagrokExcept... Exodus and Nate both have impressive showings, and Hellion doesn't really have things to prove he's there yet.
How do you know the extent of Hellion's telekinesis?They've all stated that he's one of the strongest ones there is. You're underestimating him so much is just ridiculous. I'd say his telekinesis is at the same level of Exodus'.
Turns out I was wrong though. Emma Frost toned him down again, so he's not at his max again.
I agree with you 🙂
No!
Originally posted by llagrokHow strong is Unusciones telekenisis?
How do you know the extent of Hellion's telekinesis?They've all stated that he's one of the strongest ones there is. You're underestimating him so much is just ridiculous. I'd say his telekinesis is at the same level of Exodus'.
Turns out I was wrong though. Emma Frost toned him down again, so he's not at his max again.
I agree with you 🙂
Originally posted by llagrok
How do you know the extent of Hellion's telekinesis?
Because I've read the New X-Men and I know what he has shown himself to be capable of. So far he has not done a single thing that would suggest to me that he is in same league as Nate or Exodus... and anything other then interpreting what he has actually done is just speculation.
Originally posted by llagrokThere is where I say "I told you so!"
How do you know the extent of Hellion's telekinesis?They've all stated that he's one of the strongest ones there is. You're underestimating him so much is just ridiculous. I'd say his telekinesis is at the same level of Exodus'.
Turns out I was wrong though. Emma Frost toned him down again, so he's not at his max again.
I agree with you 🙂
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Except... Exodus and Nate both have impressive showings, and Hellion doesn't really have things to prove he's there yet.
I mean, Exodus?No!
Like I said, his power level was toned down again. So he didn't really get a chance to have any decent TK feats. He tore through a O*N*E sentinel and did a couple of times above sound speed.
But yeah, with Hellion not being über anymore, they're losing a lot.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because I've read the New X-Men and I know what he has shown himself to be capable of. So far he has not done a single thing that would suggest to me that he is in same league as Nate or Exodus... and anything other then interpreting what he has actually done is just speculation.
Exodus' telekinetic feats? Common.
He has a lot of power feats, not so many telekinetic feats.
Originally posted by Terryc250
^ also, how do u know that hellion is THAT special, maybe if mental blocks were taken off of other TK users like Sue Storm, or Jean grey or somethin, theyd be like 10x even more nuts then Hellion was when he had his block removed
That doesn't make sense though. Not everyone has self imposed blocks, nor can you just remove them like that.
Invisible woman has force field powers, not telekinesis. There's a difference, small one but a difference nonetheless.
Your statement shows that you lack knowledge. Jean is an omega class, how could she ever be shown to her full extent?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd like to also mention that just because a character has the potential to be powerful doesn't mean they will reach that potential. Pro. X said that Magneto was potentially more power then the Pheonix force... and he clearly isn't near that powerful.
Exactly.
Hellion was potentially one of the strongest telekinetics. When she released his blocks, he was one of the strongest telekinetics, now that she put some weaker blocks back, he's not that strong.
I still think a full powered Hellion is stronger than Colossus.
Regarding Colossus, that was prior to Hellion's upgrade, and they were fighting stupidly.
Regarding Hellion's current powers, they're not at the same level as they were temporarily but they have been significantly enhanced, but that's somewhat irrelevant because I have 3 scenarios in the OP.
1) No killing. No speedblitz.
2) Anything goes.
3) Anything goes. Hellion has the mental blocks that restrict his powers removed and remains amped for the duration.
Anyone who thinks Colossus would somehow beat that Hellion, is fooling themself.