I really hope Sony can just get along with Nintendo.

Started by Lana3 pages
Originally posted by wuTa
The Xbox 360 can be bought for 300 bones which refutes what you said about making a high-end graphics console and selling it for $300 . Just because none of them did it yet doesnt mean its not possible, Sony is losing money from there consoles right now because of shit marketing, the opposite could be said about Nintendo.

You can get a 360 for $300, but you need to buy extra stuff to go with it as well - at the very least a memory card or hard drive. The core system really isn't a good deal.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Sony & Nintendo getting along? You've got to be kidding me. After everything Sony has ripped from Nintendo do you really think the Big N would even consider an alliance? Not a chance...at least not in the near future. It's more likely such a feat might be possible with X360 instead.

Sony and Nintendo DID nearly team up in the past...a long damn time ago when Nintendo was putting out the NES, but still.

Originally posted by wuTa
The Xbox 360 can be bought for 300 bones which refutes what you said about making a high-end graphics console and selling it for $300 . Just because none of them did it yet doesnt mean its not possible, Sony is losing money from there consoles right now because of shit marketing, the opposite could be said about Nintendo.

No you don't understand, they arnt losing money from "shit marketing" they're making systems and selling them for LESS then what it costs them to make the system. So for every system they sell, they lose money. Microsoft did the same on Xbox, and now are doing the same on the 360. In the last generation era Microsoft saw almost a ZERO (0%) profit from the Xbox console because of this same reason.

It cost Sony an insane amount of research and project development for the PS3, and the same for Microsoft. It will take YEARS before either company to start making any actual profit from the consoles because of what it costs them to make it and because of the money they spent on development of the systems. Until the tech becomes less costly TO THEM as the years go on, then they might see some profit. But as of right now both Sony and Microsoft are in the hole for every PS3 or Xbox360 they sell, its called long term profit. But its a risk because they might not actually sell what they think they will, and they could get screwed (like with the Xbox, though Microsoft didn't ever think they were going to make any profit from the first Xbox).

Nintendo is the only of the three currently that is making profit off they're system from day one. And they made a HUGE amount more profit then Microsoft did with the Xbox (even though it sold more) because they're development costs weren't as much, and with the Wii, because the tech isn't as costly. (though the Gamecube specs were significantly better then PS2's)

Right now Sony and Microsoft are banking on they're systems selling a specific amount so that a few years down the road they might see some profit from they're investments. Nintendo on the other hand is seeing profit from the Wii right now as we speak.

Actually, just recently MS has been making money for each console sold. Its roughly around 80 bucks I think.

It's rare that an console makes its money from console sales alone. It's all about the software. Each company gets money per individual game sold. That's why the console business is soo lucrative and expansive for publishers.
You never see that in the PC world.

Originally posted by BackFire
This is very incorrect. The PS3 costs around $900 to make.

You sure about that? I figured it would be cheaper considering that they developed the tech themselves.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No you don't understand, they arnt losing money from "shit marketing" they're making systems and selling them for LESS then what it costs them to make the system. So for every system they sell, they lose money. Microsoft did the same on Xbox, and now are doing the same on the 360. In the last generation era Microsoft saw almost a ZERO (0%) profit from the Xbox console because of this same reason.

No, I get it, and they are losing money from shit marketing, like I said before, its as easy as Supply and Demand. They spent a shitload of money into making the consoles and there not even on the market to buy. Thats not gonna turn a profit my friend.

It cost Sony an insane amount of research and project development for the PS3, and the same for Microsoft. It will take YEARS before either company to start making any actual profit from the consoles because of what it costs them to make it and because of the money they spent on development of the systems. Until the tech becomes less costly TO THEM as the years go on, then they [I]might see some profit. But as of right now both Sony and Microsoft are in the hole for every PS3 or Xbox360 they sell, its called long term profit. But its a risk because they might not actually sell what they think they will, and they could get screwed (like with the Xbox, though Microsoft didn't ever think they were going to make any profit from the first Xbox)..[/B]

Sony is a billionare dollar industry, and both them and MS are worth way more than Nintendo(which is also a billinare dollar company in itself which says alot right there), so they can afford the research, believe me. Like I said, both companies are worth more than Nintendo, and one reason why is because they do more than just the Game Industry, but when they sell a shitload of Playstations and Xboxs they get more consumers buying more of there products other than games thus raising there revenues, like you said its about the long term, but more specifically, its about the big picture. Your'e coming off as if the PS3 and Xbox 360 is gonna run both companies to the ground, but the chances that will do nothing but help both compaines are more likely than they were to hurt both companies

[i]Nintendo is the only of the three currently that is making profit off they're system from day one. And they made a HUGE amount more profit then Microsoft did with the Xbox (even though it sold more) because they're development costs weren't as much, and with the Wii, because the tech isn't as costly. (though the Gamecube specs were significantly better then PS2's)

Right now Sony and Microsoft are banking on they're systems selling a specific amount so that a few years down the road they might see some profit from they're investments. Nintendo on the other hand is seeing profit from the Wii right now as we speak. [/B]

Yea, and the chances of both Sony and MS profiting overall from there products are very good, at the very least they will come out even from the PS3 or 360 but that would still bring there business revunies to an increase thuse making a profit, like I said, big picture. But I am rooting for Nintendo out of the 3, like I said before, best case scenerio for gamers would be if Nintendo outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360, and they have a good chance of doing that in this generation of consoles, with the Gamecube, not so much. Not that the Gamecube was bad, but Xbox and PS2 were better equipped and around the same price so chances of Gamecube outselling them were not so much.

Originally posted by Lana
You can get a 360 for $300, but you need to buy extra stuff to go with it as well - at the very least a memory card or hard drive. The core system really isn't a good deal.

I know, but if you know what your doing you can make all the upgrades yourself and it will still come out cheaper than $400.

Originally posted by pr1983
i agree, and you're right... you meant 'now' right, not 'not' or am i wrong?

once sony can meet demand, i think we'll get a picture of how good sales are... even if they are bast*rds for making us wait even longer...

yea, I meant "now", my bad.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You sure about that? I figured it would be cheaper considering that they developed the tech themselves.

That's around the correct number.

I still cost money for parts, and the manufacturing of them.

Just look at how much an Blu Ray player cost and you can see the amount of money Sony is losing.

Originally posted by wuTa
Sony is a billionare dollar industry, and both them and MS are worth way more than Nintendo(which is also a billinare dollar company in itself which says alot right there), so they can afford the research, believe me. Like I said, both companies are worth more than Nintendo, and one reason why is because they do more than just the Game Industry, but when they sell a shitload of Playstations and Xboxs they get more consumers buying more of there products other than games thus raising there revenues, like you said its about the long term, but more specifically, its about the big picture. Your'e coming off as if the PS3 and Xbox 360 is gonna run both companies to the ground, but the chances that will do nothing but help both compaines are more likely than they were to hurt both companies

Yeah the thing is, Sony isn't doing so well with anything else it has. It had to recall over 10 million CDs because they downloaded contents from your computer which is illegal!! Yeah that's going to have a lot of people get off the Sony band wagon right there. And heck the Apple iPod seems to be taking over the music business.

Sony is definitly not doing as good as they have been.

Sony is seriously putting alot on the shelf with the PS3. If it fails, then Blu Ray will fail and that will seriously put a dent into Sony.

Just checking wikipidia, "Sony has reported[5] a loss of 94% of its profits for the fiscal second quarter of 2006, and has lost roughly 40% of its value from 2001 to 2006."

I really really really doubt it will ever happen, but I hope it doesnt. Sony consoles have always been shit to me, I dont want Sony to team with Nintendo and make broken down Wii2's.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Sony is definitly not doing as good as they have been.

Sony is seriously putting alot on the shelf with the PS3. If it fails, then Blu Ray will fail and that will seriously put a dent into Sony.

Just checking wikipidia, "Sony has reported[5] a loss of 94% of its profits for the fiscal second quarter of 2006, and has lost roughly 40% of its value from 2001 to 2006."

Here's a Sony's electronics division, which accounts for two-thirds of the company's revenue, has seen profit plummet over the last decade.

1996: Nearly 200
1997: Nearly 250
1998: Over 300!!
1999: Around 100-150
2000: Less then 100
2001: Nearly 250
2002: Under 0
2003: Around 50-100
2004: Under 0
2005: Almost -50
2006: Almost -50

This is of cost in billions (yen).

Originally posted by wuTa
I know, but if you know what your doing you can make all the upgrades yourself and it will still come out cheaper than $400.

yea, I meant "now", my bad.

no biggie...

if sony stopped making substandard products, their profits would be higher, i dont get whats so hard to understand about that for the boys at sony...

Everyone has problems-

XBox 360-
Overheating problem, glitchy software, ruins games. multiplayer put on backburner compared to online play.

PS3- Expensive, too complex for many third party developers, few launch titles, probable backwards compatability problems.

Wii-Firmware problems, initial scant selection of interesting games, annoyingly right-hand centric control scheme