As Long As You're Not Doing Anything Wrong, You Have Nothing To Worry About

Originally posted by Deano
yes it is a public area. doesnt mean i want people listening to me and my girlfriend having a conversation.

so u wud happily allow fellow citizens on the street to listen in on your phone calls and conversations?

again u miss the point as always

I would not make private phone calls or have secret conversations on the street, no. If my fellow citizens want to listen to me make appointments by phone in public areas, I only hope it brings them joy.

What you want is completely irrelevent. You want to be able to hold private conversations in public areas, and it's too damn bad for you.

Not to mention the somewhat hilarious suggestion that the government cares what you have to say to your girlfriend.

Originally posted by Gregory
I would not make private phone calls or have secret conversations on the street, no. If my fellow citizens want to listen to me make appointments by phone in public areas, I only hope it brings them joy.

What you want is completely irrelevent. You want to be able to hold private conversations in public areas, and it's too damn bad for you.

Not to mention the somewhat hilarious suggestion that the government cares what you have to say to your girlfriend.

but u still woudnt want people comin up and listening to you..whateva kind of conversation you are having.

its invasion of privacy. simple as that

Originally posted by Deano
but u still woudnt want people comin up and listening to you..whateva kind of conversation you are having.

its invasion of privacy. simple as that

I believe his point is, if you're are talking on the street, it really isn't a "private" conversation. Just like you couldn't have sex with your girlfriend on a park bench and claim it is the same as having sex in the privacy of your own home.

Originally posted by Deano

its invasion of privacy. simple as that

Speaking from a tottaly neutral standpoint of God given rights vs ammendmant given rights, we're not entitled to anything. We're only entitled to what our hands and minds can obtain. Survival of the fittest. In nowhere in nature or in Holy doctrine is there any indication you have a right to privacy. My concern against this is not my privacy being invaded, but rather who's in control of my privacy. Is it going to be some stern cop who is seeking our deviance to punish?

Or is it going to be some turd who wants to wrongfuly accuse me cause I cut him off, or some perv that wants to getoff on me?

I don't know what it is with people now, especialy Americans that think they're entitled to all these things. You didn't work a day in your life to deserve them, and yet you're going to tell me that you're entitled to privacy.

Originally posted by Green Arrow
Yes it is, but what entitles you to privacy?

I don't know what it is with people now, especialy Americans that think they're entitled to all these things. You didn't work a day in your life to deserve them, and yet you're going to tell me that you're entitled to privacy.

Forget about the word entitlement and remember the Govt is simply a tool for the people, by the people and most importantly PAID for by the people.

If the Govt decides to place surveilance cameras on all streets etc etc looking to better society as a whole by "punishing" the majority to control the minority I have a problem with that and anyone with resonable intelligence should as well.

Not to mention once again the money for the surveilance comes from where again, thats right the citizens.

I never do anything wrong, and yet things keeps attacking me...... 🙁

Originally posted by debbiejo
I never do anything wrong, and yet things keeps attacking me...... 🙁

but u still woudnt want people comin up and listening to you..whateva kind of conversation you are having.

its invasion of privacy. simple as that

I wouldn't want them to, no. But I'd recognize that I have no inherent right to complete privacy in public areas. If the government were doing this to listen into people's homes, then it really would be as "simple as that." As it is, it's rather more complicated then you're making it out to be.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I never do anything wrong, and yet things keeps attacking me...... 🙁

Originally posted by Gregory
I wouldn't want them to, no. But I'd recognize that I have no inherent right to complete privacy in public areas. If the government were doing this to listen into people's homes, then it really would be as "simple as that." As it is, it's rather more complicated then you're making it out to be.

Dude as it stands right now the govt could shadow you all day and take pictures, bam there you go.

The dumbest thing any citizen can do is to nod his head with giving away freedoms with a smile while thinking I am going to get additional protection, wahoo.

If they can do it anyway, why bother getting all uppity over an abstract concept?

Originally posted by Soleran
Dude as it stands right now the govt could shadow you all day and take pictures, bam there you go.

The dumbest thing any citizen can do is to nod his head with giving away freedoms with a smile while thinking I am going to get additional protection, wahoo.

You never had the freedom not to be overheard in public areas. You are not "giving away freedoms." And you're wrong; the worst thing a citizen could do is give into mindless paranoia such that he can't tell the difference between a nuisance and a real threat.

Originally posted by Soleran

The dumbest thing any citizen can do is to nod his head with giving away freedoms with a smile while thinking I am going to get additional protection, wahoo.

Followed closely by the second dumbest thing a person can do, which is argue for his conversations and actions to be totally secret (as if it changes the importance and meaning of those conversations with whom the person is having them with) and then bawl like a baby when the person he talked to on the phone and made love to in his own house is killed by a terrorist bomb that came from a few men living in his home town!

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Originally posted by Gregory
You never had the freedom not to be overheard in public areas. You are not "giving away freedoms." And you're wrong; the worst thing a citizen could do is give into mindless paranoia such that he can't tell the difference between a nuisance and a real threat.

He would've lowerd gun regulation laws, made them easier to comeby, and arm every man, woman, and child with a small firearm. That way, if they see a terrorist, they shoot them. True this could have.. chaotic consequinces.. but let's face it, if you know the guy next to you probably has a gun, you're not going to start shit you can't finish.

Originally posted by Gregory
You never had the freedom not to be overheard in public areas. You are not "giving away freedoms." And you're wrong; the worst thing a citizen could do is give into mindless paranoia such that he can't tell the difference between a nuisance and a real threat.

Being overheard in public places is a FAR cry from recording EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. If the Govt wants to scan an area and observe behaviors to identify possible villains great do it but to blanket an area with an electronic eye is ridiculous.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Followed closely by the second dumbest thing a person can do, which is argue for his conversations and actions to be totally secret (as if it changes the importance and meaning of those conversations with whom the person is having them with) and then bawl like a baby when the person he talked to on the phone and made love to in his own house is killed by a terrorist bomb that came from a few men living in his home town!

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UH huh yeah I am not against wiretaps and listening/recording conversations in general. What I am very opposed to is allowing the Govt or Anyone for that matter to arbitrarily select someone and listen without fair cause and due process.

Originally posted by Green Arrow
I agree here. Terrorism is a nuisance, not a threat. This is why neo-cons bug the hell out of me. Ronald Regan wouldn't have suggested going to war and spending a kabillion dollars to fix the middle-east.

He would've lowerd gun regulation laws, made them easier to comeby, and arm every man, woman, and child with a small firearm. That way, if they see a terrorist, they shoot them. True this could have.. chaotic consequinces.. but let's face it, if you know the guy next to you probably has a gun, you're not going to start shit you can't finish.

the only terrorism i see is from our own governments. in the the world today, it is full of hyped up 'monsters 'and 'dangerous people' a focus of fear from which we must look to our 'leaders' to save us. the fact that these 'monsters'and our 'leaders' are both appointed and controlled by the same force is kept from us. we are programmed to see two 'sides', largely projected as 'good and evil', when there are not two sides, but one.

Deano, have you read Atlas Shrugged?

“We interrupt this program with a special bulletin:
America is now under martial law.
All constitutional rights have been suspended.
Stay in your homes.
Do not attempt to contact love ones, insurance agents or attorneys.
Shut up.
Do not attempt to think or depression may occur.
Stay in your homes.
Curfew is at 7 PM sharp- after work.
Anyone caught outside of gates of their surveillance sectors after curfew WILL BE SHOT.
Remain calm, do not panic.
Your neighborhood watch officer will be by to collect urine examples in the morning.
Anyone caught interfering with the collection of urine examples WILL BE SHOT.
Stay in your homes, remain calm.
The number one enemy of progress is question.
National security is more important than individual will.
All sport broadcasts will proceed as normal.
No more than two people may gather anywhere without permission.
Use only the drugs described by your boss or supervisor.
Shut up, be happy.
Obey all orders without question.
The comfort you demanded is now mandatory.
Be happy.
At last everything is done for you.

-Jello Biafra

SO WILL DER STILL BE HOMOSEXULS?

HUH?

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Get a life dude. And stop trying to stop those who would stop those who try to take mine.

Originally posted by Green Arrow
You didn't work a day in your life to deserve them, and yet you're going to tell me that you're entitled to privacy.

Ever hear about how animals are territorial?

It's natural for humans to want privacy. It's engrained in our DNA.

Stfu now please.