What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

Started by Alpha Centauri88 pages
Alpha Centauri Restricted

Originally posted by Schecter
and its not the correct route, ac. im not arguing the point, im arguing your vehicle to bring that point across. its entirely flawed. the sophia's choice scenario is so deeply rooted in fallacy and proves nothing.

a simple "would you be more traumitised to learn that your child was murdered or raped?" is simple and directly hilights the point with no complexity. your scenario is factually complex and its counterproductive in bringing the point across.

keep the point.

ditch the scenario

It's not incorrect either, you just don't like it because you say, in reality, there'd be more to it, which is precisely why I'm not taking it as fact and acting like it's an accurate hostage situation, just a simple one, if such a thing existed.

Your "solution" is complex to some people, either way they'll dodge it, and either way our points are the same.

-AC

ThePittman "Pitt Happens"

Originally posted by Starhawk
No that will not happen because if the prosecutor doesn't have the proof to get it he will opt for the jail time.
So what would be the point of trying to get more convictions on the death sentence if the majority of them would then be turned to just jail time, which contradicts what you want to do? You want to have more of these types of crimes have the death sentence and increases the level of proof to make sure that innocent people are not wrongly convicted but in turn you would have less people put to death because the burden of proof is far to high.

Schecter Restricted

the thing is ac,
i didnt sit back and think "how can i prove ac wrong on the scenario",
in fact the second i read it i thought exactly what i pointed out. thats why i think its not substantial. (i refer to the first time we discussed this a while ago)

and i agree, those same people will dodge the question regardless of how you present it.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Read what I said again:

"Cutting down" on wrongful convictions is not enough when the punishment is death. There need to be NO wrongful convictions, and seeing as that won't happen, there needs to be no death penalty.

Don't read this, then reply with "But we can cut down on wrongful convictions.". It's not good enough.
-AC

For me, it would be good enough.

Alpha Centauri Restricted
Originally posted by Starhawk
For me, it would be good enough.

Cos you're an idiot. For anyone who doesn't think it's good to put innocent people to death (As, hypocritically, you are against also, since you have a rabid hate of murderers.), it wouldn't be good enough.

-AC

Shelbert Lemon ubuntu

Both are horrible thoughts and Id never EVER want either to happen. However, If given the situation where I wasnt able get out without choosing between the 2... Id rather my child be raped then murdered. Do I want that to happen.. of course not.. but with life comes healing.

ThePittman "Pitt Happens"

So now to throw a monkey in the works what would be worse being raped for the rest of your life or killed?

Shelbert Lemon ubuntu

Originally posted by ThePittman
So now to throw a monkey in the works what would be worse being raped for the rest of your life or killed?
ouch... 😖 .....I have to think about that... I was raped... I cant imagine going through that repeatedly for the rest of my life... the fear more then the physical damage... I just shuddered thinking about it.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Cos you're an idiot. For anyone who doesn't think it's good to put innocent people to death (As, hypocritically, you are against also, since you have a rabid hate of murderers.), it wouldn't be good enough.

-AC

The needs of the many overrule those of the few. If one or two wrongful convictions are the price to pay for putting a hundred of these monsters down, then it is what the military refers to as acceptable casualties.

Alpha Centauri Restricted

Disclaimer: You don't actually have to justify "BUT I DON'T WANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I'D CHOOSE IT!", we take that as a given, we don't think you are a monster.

It's ok to be logical.

-AC

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Schecter
well of course niether. however what seems like a more likely scenario to you?

1-child raped and parents thinking "well thank god he's still alive"

2-child murdered and parents thinking "well thank god he wasnt raped"

Correct, but that scenario also plays out that murder is worse than rape. No [sane] parent would want their child raped or murdered; in a scenario were one or the other HAD to happen, rape would be the lesser 'evil'.

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Disclaimer: You don't actually have to justify "BUT I DON'T WANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I'D CHOOSE IT!", we take that as a given, we don't think you are a monster.

It's ok to be logical.

-AC

They are monsters though, given what they do.

Alpha Centauri Restricted
Originally posted by Starhawk
They are monsters though, given what they do.

Nice, but I'm over here with my point.

Way over here, where you missed me.

-AC

Shelbert Lemon ubuntu

Originally posted by Starhawk
They are monsters though, given what they do.
you totally misunderstood what he was saying.... 😖

Starhawk Restricted

I didn't miss anything. They are what they are and the world is better without them in it.

Alpha Centauri Restricted
Originally posted by Starhawk
I didn't miss anything. They are what they are and the world is better without them in it.

Again, I'm over here. Read my post again.

"Disclaimer: You don't actually have to justify 'BUT I DON'T WANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I'D CHOOSE IT!', we take that as a given, we don't think you are a monster.".

You think someone is a monster for choosing molestation over murder? I don't, and I don't think they should have to tell us "BUT I WOULD RATHER NOTHING HAPPENS!", because we take that as a given.

-AC

Starhawk Restricted

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Again, I'm over here. Read my post again.

"Disclaimer: You don't actually have to justify 'BUT I DON'T WANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I'D CHOOSE IT!', we take that as a given, we don't think you are a monster.".

You think someone is a monster for choosing molestation over murder? I don't, and I don't think they should have to tell us "BUT I WOULD RATHER NOTHING HAPPENS!", because we take that as a given.

-AC

It's not a case of one or the other, BOTH are monsters and should be executed.

Quiero Mota Member Señor
Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not a case of one or the other, BOTH are monsters and should be executed.

😂 Esta guey......

Shelbert Lemon ubuntu

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Again, I'm over here. Read my post again.

"Disclaimer: You don't actually have to justify 'BUT I DON'T WANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I'D CHOOSE IT!', we take that as a given, we don't think you are a monster.".

You think someone is a monster for choosing molestation over murder? I don't, and I don't think they should have to tell us "BUT I WOULD RATHER NOTHING HAPPENS!", because we take that as a given.

-AC

Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
Both are horrible thoughts and Id never EVER want either to happen. However, If given the situation where I wasnt able get out without choosing between the 2... Id rather my child be raped then murdered. Do I want that to happen.. of course not.. but with life comes healing.
Originally posted by Starhawk
I didn't miss anything. They are what they are and the world is better without them in it.
my post as an example of what AC was saying...

Alpha Centauri Restricted
Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not a case of one or the other, BOTH are monsters and should be executed.

A woman or man...should be executed...for choosing that their son or daughter live, as opposed to die?

And you dare to question my sanity for laughing at dead baby JOKES?

-AC