Originally posted by Chiki Mina
that "SAVE ME" line from Jack to Will is so odd....myabe it means nothing but why he said that...I dunno.
EXACTLY maybe it may not mean anything but...i have my serious doubts....i mean the line was sooooo random....come on, like JACK was really gonna wait around for WILL to save him?!
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Your question is hard to answer without a bias sneaking its way in, pyratequeen. It depends who you ask. I'm sure if you ask Gov. Swann, he'd tell you she should have stuck with Norrington and this Jack/Will business would never have happened.To be honest, I didn't really care much for the romance in COTBP. I was more into the action and the great storyline. I hadn't seen an action movie that focused so heavily on character development and being original as this one did. The romance really wasn't an issue for me. I thought Liz was great, thought Will was decent, and Jack was just Jack and the Pearl was his woman. I found it interesting he wasn't paired off with anyone.
And then came along DMC and that just blew me away. I've said in other posts that I didn't expect him and Liz to kiss. I expected the Curiosity scene to be the closest I'd ever come to seeing that. This is the line that sold it for me.
"Jack Sparrow doesn't know what he wants. Or maybe he do but he loathe to claim it as his own."
It was then when I thought it would be so great to see Jack fall in love and how interesting it would be if he started to have feelings for Liz. And then it started making sense. They challenge each other more than she and Will do, in my opinion, and it seems they have more to talk about. But that's just my opinion, and I respect most W/E and N/E shippers.
These are my sentiments, exactly. I loved COTBP for it's adventure and the introduction of the great Captain Jack Sparrow...I loved the moments between Liz and Jack even in the first one....and I too was blown away by the "romance" of DMC. It has driven me to the brink of insanity, to say the least. Yes, Once I got on this forum back in July and went back and saw the movie 5 times...then watched all the youtube videos...I fell hook line and sinker for the J/E destiney, foever.....
Like Willo....that line in Tia's cabin was one of several that caught my attention and made me stop to ponder,...just what could Ted and Terry have meant to accomplish with all these implied lines.....
You have Gibbs saying...."sailing without a heading? Something's got Jack vexed."......
Tia..."What vexes men most?"
Jack..."A woman."
Tia: Ah, Jack Sparrow don't know what he want....or do know, but is loathe to claim it as his own."
Beckett.."a marraige interupted or fate intervenes..you make great efforts to ensure Jack Sparrow's freedom."
Eliza: "these are not for Jack"
Beckett: Oh, really?
Norrington:.."It's a curious thing, there was a time when I would have given anything for you to look like that while thinking about me."
and another thing that really bugs me...in the trailors, the intervies...it says jack has something very specific on his mind....well, if you really look at the movie...it's not the heart, the chest and the debt to Davy Jones that they want us to think it is...because once you realize that the compass isn't working for Jack..that throws that theory out the window..because if that's all Jack cared about, all he had on his mind...then the compass would point to the chest for him, it would lead him to the key...he wouldn't need anyone else's help....Lovely and I and others, we've all said this before....Jack's mind is not on that..it's on Liz...his thoughts about her are confusing him, he is vexed..that's why he is sailing without a heading, that's why he can't find the chest...just as Tia said..jack do know but is loathe to claim it as his own"...then the line in COTBP when he tells will "not all treasure is silver and gold, mate"......Ah,,,I don't know why I'm typing all this....just getting it all off my chest once again for the umpteenth time since July 18, 2006.
So many others...the sinking wedding dress....The beginning of the movie Liz is kneeling down and crying in the rain..she looks more like she is at a funeral than a wedding.....the ending of DMC Liz is crying and a total wreck over what she has done to Jack......we could go on and on...but to what point and purpose, young missys.....it's all up to Ted and Terry...it's out of our hands.....
...Jack always puts up a brave front on in front of everyone but Liz...he's always being happy go lucky with Will, Barbossa, Gibbs, Norrington, etc. ...but on the Island with Liz....he lets her discover who he really is...."to what point and purpose young missy"....Jack knows that even if he escapes..he is bound for the gallows...especially if Norrington rescues them...he shows her his scars.....then when she burns the rum...."no, stop, no, don't....but why is the rum gone?" then in Peas in a Pod he lets her see that vunverable side of him again...and several times in DMC....she gets the best of him in the curiosity scene..by turning the tables on him...and he has to admit...that he is smitten by her "I do want to know what it tastes like".....and then the Kiss.....he is so vunerable in that scene, it tears your heart out....Liz has seen jack as no one else has....and there are no moments at all like that between her and Will...the only moment that comes close is on POTC 1 when she talks to him about taking the medallion the first day the met...and a little in the jail scene before he leaves to find Jack.
Originally posted by pyratequeen
Who do i want her with? Well, I love to see the hero (Jack) end up with the girl. That's what makes a movie a movie. But, the little nagging voice in my head keeps aying "But what about Will?" and yes, I'd have to agree with the little voice, I'd feel sorry for Will if Jack ends up with Liz, but, still, Jack and Liz really are great for each other. And please don't go by what I said in the other thread. I was alittle out of my mind. 😄
for me, personally, I don't really care too much about what happens to Will, and sometimes I'm starting to feel that way about Liz, too, if she continues to deny her feelings for Jack...all I care about is that Jack Sparrow gets his great ending for once and for all.....
And at this point, I'm still convinced that his great ending includes Miss Swann...because we all know that she is what he wants most in this world....
And, I continue to believe that Will can still have an ending without Liz....I think Will's character would be redeemed if he would finally realize that everything Jack has done is to help him...I would love to see Will say "I was wrong, I'm sorry Jack. I see now that when you sent me to the Flying Dutchman...you knew I was safer there than being with you...you knew Davy would not accept me as a trade for your soul, you knew my father was there, that I would meet him and he would protect me...I know now that you were actually protecting me instead of being selfish when you stopped me from stabing the heart of Davy on the Island.....Jack you're a good man...you deserve to be happy. Elizabeth, I love you, and I know that you love me...but you love Jack more..he's a good man...he's everything you've ever wanted in a man...I have a different destiny, now, that doesn't include you...and you have one that doesn't include me....it's with Jack, not me. It's time I've faced that, and it's time you faced it. I'm releasing you from your promise you made to me. You are free. Free to be with Jack. Goodbye my dear friends.," and then he turns and stabs the heart as Jack and Liz both scream to him "No!" But it's too late....
yeah I agree with you calypso. tigers..you rock..everything you say makes so much sense
I think that whole notion about Liz being the only one who sees that weaker side of Jack is WHAT is making her feel guilty at the end..THAT is whats making her feel guilty IMO because she knows she's used it against him one too many times..and this time...she cares about him enough to CARE about what she's done to him.