Originally posted by olympian
Yeah...like alot of others 😛The scans wer posted? Where?
you know something ,people seem to be taking that one fight in blood oath where thor says herc is slightly h2h fighter as gospel,the fact is this fight was not even in recent continuity it was suppossed to have been one of their earlier meetings they have squared up a couple of times since and thor never seemed to show any inferiority h2h at all if anything he had an edge in one of their fights ,that 1 fight in blood oath is out of place in terms of marvel history where they have always been regarded as equals in strength and fighting ability,i think if it is a wrestling match only then herc has edge but all out anything goes brawl as it would turn out to be could go either way as is borne out by 40 years of continuity.
the mageddon feat is more impressive than anything else post-crisis superman has done as well. if you nix that feat as an outlier, (which i do, especially considering how iffy the feat is. he turned the wheels of a solar-system ship...but we don't know the size of the wheels. nor do we know whether supes gained exponential strength by application of leverage--you know, if the wheel he turned turned a larger wheel which turned a larger wheel and on, he could move the wheels with a fraction of the effort seemingly required.) i don't think superman has anything that stacks up to midgard serpent or holding the earth for atlas.
Originally posted by paolo2144
you know something ,people seem to be taking that one fight in blood oath where thor says herc is slightly h2h fighter as gospel,the fact is this fight was not even in recent continuity it was suppossed to have been one of their earlier meetings they have squared up a couple of times since and thor never seemed to show any inferiority h2h at all if anything he had an edge in one of their fights ,that 1 fight in blood oath is out of place in terms of marvel history where they have always been regarded as equals in strength and fighting ability,i think if it is a wrestling match only then herc has edge but all out anything goes brawl as it would turn out to be could go either way as is borne out by 40 years of continuity.
There is nothing in that figth suggesting its not in continuity just because Herc had an H2H edge. Thats nonsense. Its not like he owned Thor, something he never did in 40 years and thus making this one so horrible.
Owming wrote it as an earlier match. It is in continuity and i use it as gospel as any other match of theyrs.
Originally posted by manorastroman
the mageddon feat is more impressive than anything else post-crisis superman has done as well. if you nix that feat as an outlier, (which i do, especially considering how iffy the feat is. he turned the wheels of a solar-system ship...but we don't know the size of the wheels. nor do we know whether supes gained exponential strength by application of leverage--you know, if the wheel he turned turned a larger wheel which turned a larger wheel and on, he could move the wheels with a fraction of the effort seemingly required.) i don't think superman has anything that stacks up to midgard serpent or holding the earth for atlas.
Any of these three can be speculative. Especially the wheels. If the ship was solar system sized (altho i dont see an actual mention of it in the scans) then the wheels cannot be endless as they would continue beyond the ship 😛
Originally posted by olympianWait, when did Herc gain the advantage?
There is nothing in that figth suggesting its not in continuity just because Herc had an H2H edge. Thats nonsense. Its not like he owned Thor, something he never did in 40 years and thus making this one so horrible.Owming wrote it as an earlier match. It is in continuity and i use it as gospel as any other match of theyrs.
Oh was it when Herc put his arm on Thor's shoulder, congradulating him, then sneaking in a choke hold?
They were equal in that fight.
Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, when did Herc gain the advantage?Oh was it when Herc put his arm on Thor's shoulder, congradulating him, then sneaking in a choke hold?
They were equal in that fight.
And it was a skill advantage, not a necessarily battle one. Wich was what Thor stated.
Originally posted by olympianSo, you call cheapshotting, being better at h2h?
The chocke hold.And it was a skill advantage, not a necessarily battle one. Wich was what Thor stated.
Ya he said that, but Herc never showed it in that fight.
Thor also said that on the field of battle they were equals.
Now that isn't true, Thor has his hammer.
I call him not being able to get free of the hold wich is a move that involves skill being sligthy better at H2H.
Because you know Thor said that in the exact moment he was struggling with the hold. Not before or after.
And i dont belive for a second you actually hate cheapshooting since Thor cheated to get free of the hold, didnt he?
Originally posted by olympianSo... you need better skill than the person giving you the choke, to break free?
I call him not being able to get free of the hold wich is a move that involves skill being sligthy better at H2H.Because you know Thor said that in the exact moment he was struggling with the hold. Not before or after.
And i dont belive for a second you actually hate cheapshooting since Thor cheated to get free of the hold, didnt he?
Ya, I know.
Wait, did I mention that Thor cheapshotted to get free? Thor cheaped Herc, just like Herc cheaped him.
He said it when he had Thor in the choke hold.
"You... Have WON... The Respect...Of Hercules...But your will... matches mine NOT!..."
Going for choke.
"HUGHHHFFF!!"
After choke.
"And... now I must END this!"
Right down to the punctuation of the play by play fight.
I dont get the wheels feat. Are there any proves about how dense those were? Because you can easily be big and not have anywhere the mass of a star, hence its weight, hence, moving may not be a question of power but balance, and given that the ship has to keep an intern balance to move, that may not even be the case.
there is a lot of debate on the blood oath fight ,when i said not in continuity what i meant to say was having herc have slight edge in that fight is no different from thor 221 where herc was defintely getting the worse of things before zeus stepped in,i think herc is a very skilled wrestler but i still say if its an all out anything goes slugfest it really is way too close to call i also think it depends on the era and the writer,during the silver age thor was marvels top dog and would probably have been given the edge more recently probably herc and for much of the time a dead heat.
