Wonder Man versus Iron Man

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Simon ripping the chest plate off of EXTREMIS Iron Man... I'd like to see that one... Which issue?

Lol, and yet you post a scan of IM beating Hulk in a comic that is years past its relevance.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
uh? 😕

Anyways, Ironman wins.

You think Hercules would take wins from Extremis IM, Thor or WWH?

Why are you comparing IM to Thor or WWH?

Originally posted by llagrok
You think Hercules would take wins from Extremis IM, Thor or WWH? [/B]

I think its this hes wondering about:

"I don't think Herc is much of a match for the current versions of IM, Thor and Hercules."

Originally posted by Lil Buddy
I think its this hes wondering about:

"I don't think [B]Herc is much of a match for the current versions of IM, Thor and Hercules." [/B]

I wrote that? 😂

I meant The Hulk, not Hercules.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lol, and yet you post a scan of IM beating Hulk in a comic that is years past its relevance.

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The relevance is that "if" a Classic armored IM knocked HULK out which of course he did and it was canon... Then EXTREMIS IM surely can do the same to current Herc...being that he's (EXTREMIS) probably 50% more powerful (guess) than Classicly armored IM.

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That's right, because PIS doesn't exist in comics, and characters don't have low showings. Not to mention old scans lose there relevance after time since characters don't stay at a set powerlevel.

Also one scan taking out of context hardly proves anything

Originally posted by Mindset
That's right, because PIS doesn't exist in comics, and characters don't have low showings. Not to mention old scans lose there relevance after time since characters don't stay at a set powerlevel.

Also one scan taking out of context hardly proves anything

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If you want to go recent we can do that to... Since it was EXTREMIS IM that took down WWH when nobody else could. (Satellites that Tony set up to do just that).

So now what...?

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That again was PIS imo, and that took time to set up, not to mention Hulk let him do it.

Or did you forgot how Tony was curbstomped by Hulk earlier and made a slave?

Originally posted by Mindset
That again was PIS imo, and that took time to set up, not to mention Hulk let him do it.

Or did you forgot how Tony was curbstomped by Hulk earlier and made a slave?

Tony wasnt curbstomped. He put up a decent fight, but his main weapon - the nanobots to deactivate his powers - were taking out of the cartridge without his knowledge. Thats the only reason he lost.

Anyways in this fight, Ironman wins. The versatility that he brings to the table takes WonderMan out every. single. time. Whats WM got going for him? Strength? pffffffffft.

No he was stomped, and that was in new Hulkbuster armor anyway

Originally posted by Mindset
No he was stomped, and that was in new Hulkbuster armor anyway

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Whatever you say, but you would get stomped by Hulk. He lasted more than enough to do his goal (shoving the needle in his brain). I know what armor he was in. The hulkbuster armor was meant to defend the man inside, but so that he could get close enough to slam the big ass needle inside Hulks brain....but the nanobots were not inside the cartridge. Only reason he lost.

Originally posted by Mindset
That again was PIS imo, and that took time to set up, not to mention Hulk let him do it.

Or did you forgot how Tony was curbstomped by Hulk earlier and made a slave?

So I guess that the only way to beat someone is H2H...? Ummmm... I never knew that. Whether or not WWH wanted to be taken down or not really is irrelevant he was going to be taken down PERIOD... Tony does his homework. And that goes back to the fact that Tony prepares for everything. Now THOR #3 IMO was true PIS... for previously stated reasons^

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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Whatever you say, but you would get stomped by Hulk. He lasted more than enough to do his goal (shoving the needle in his brain). I know what armor he was in. The hulkbuster armor was meant to defend the man inside, but so that he could get close enough to slam the big ass needle inside Hulks brain....but the nanobots were not inside. Only reason he lost.

I must be missing the point you're trying to make...his only hope was for the nanobots to work.

He couldn't match Hulk fighting in Hulkbuster armor, he definitely couldn't do it in his regular armor.

Now, tell me what significant point you are trying to get across?

Originally posted by Tony Stark
So I guess that the only way to beat someone is H2H...? Ummmm... I never know that. Whether or not WWH wanted to be taken down or not really is irrelevant he was going to be taken down PERIOD... Tony does his homework. And that goes back to the fact that Tony prepares for everything. Now THOR #3 IMO was true PIS... for previously stated reasons^

So now you think IM is a match for Thor too?

And no the only way to win is not hth, when did I say that?

And whether or not Hulk wanting to be taken down is relevant, seeing as he could have killed Tony any time he wanted to...

Instead Tony had time to set up, and then was given a free shot on Hulk.

So unless WM stands there and lets IM do w/e he wants, that plan wont work.

Originally posted by Mindset
I must be missing the point you're trying to make...his only hope was for the nanobots to work.

He couldn't match Hulk fighting in Hulkbuster armor, he definitely couldn't do it in his regular armor.

Now, tell me what significant point you are trying to get across?

That he could win. Strength is not ALWAYS the answer to a victory in a fight. If I thought sonics were his only way to win, I would answer that he wins via sonics. Ironman is VERSATILE. Hulk is very very very much so one dimensional in terms of powerset. He is very good at it, but if you have the proper tools in your set of versatility, you will more than likely end up winning.

He got some decent blows in the Hulkbuster armor. I wont pretend that he didnt lose, but you have to realize that pure H2H fighting was not what Tony was intending to do, and knew he would lose that way.

In the issue of relevancy, we can both agree that Hulk is stronger than he was back then, and Tony is much more powerful than he was back then. Tony can overload his suit to give him (800?) times more power, so yes, an overloaded punch from a suit that already gives you class 100 strength could maybe produce the same results from back in the classic days. Maybe. Good thing Tony has enough tech goodies that he does not need to try that out

However, this matchup is not about Tony vs the Hulk. It is Tony vs Wonderman, in which case Tony wins every time. He has better reflexes, more options to fight with, can go Mach 8.72, can use a nuclear powered full body repulser that incinerated two superpowered Skrulls, ect ect. Tony wins this hands down.

Originally posted by Mindset
So now you think IM is a match for Thor too?

And no the only way to win is not hth, when did I say that?

And whether or not Hulk wanting to be taken down is relevant, seeing as he could have killed Tony any time he wanted to...

Instead Tony had time to set up, and then was given a free shot on Hulk.

So unless WM stands there and lets IM do w/e he wants, that plan wont work.

So if WWH would have been bounding away in the air or running down the road the satellites couldn't have tracked him down...? I'm saying that if Tony didn't want to get close to WWH he wouldn't need to and he could still fight him (from a distance). And I'm not nessarily say that IM would have or should have beaten THOR down in #3, I'm saying that Tony knows THOR's powers and what he can do... He's absorbed THOR's blasts in the past why not now...? And you can't say that they where too powerful because he's taken more powerful blasts than magical lightning too many times to count... (Can you say nuclear blasts...etc.)

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
That he could win. Strength is not ALWAYS the answer to a victory in a fight. If I thought sonics were his only way to win, I would answer that he wins via sonics. Ironman is VERSATILE. Hulk is very very very much so one dimensional in terms of powerset. He is very good at it, but if you have the proper tools in your set of versatility, you will more than likely end up winning.

He got some decent blows in the Hulkbuster armor. I wont pretend that he didnt lose, but you have to realize that pure H2H fighting was not what Tony was intending to do, and knew he would lose that way.

In the issue of relevancy, we can both agree that Hulk is stronger than he was back then, and Tony is much more powerful than he was back then. Tony can overload his suit to give him (800?) times more power, so yes, an overloaded punch from a suit that already gives you class 100 strength could maybe produce the same results from back in the classic days. Maybe. Good thing Tony has enough tech goodies that he does not need to try that out

However, this matchup is not about Tony vs the Hulk. It is Tony vs Wonderman, in which case Tony wins every time. He has better reflexes, more options to fight with, can go Mach 8.72, can use a nuclear powered full body repulser that incinerated two superpowered Skrulls, ect ect. Tony wins this hands down.

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Who said strength was the only way to win?

I wasn't the one who posted a scan from an old comic where IM knocked out the Hulk...

And I know IM didn't intend to beat Hulk purely hth, but that became his only option, and he lost. I wasn't aware IM was given preptime is this fight to prepare, oh, maybe because he wasn't. Tony can't match people like Thor, Sentry, or Hulk. This has been proven when he was beaten by all three of them in their most recent fights. He can use any suit he wants, he will still lose.

But you're right, this fight is between IM and WM. What proof do you have IM has better reflexes? Current WM doesn't have much speed feats, but he has kept up with Sentry in flight speed. And you mean the same repulsor beams that were blocked by Spiderman's webbing?

And WM still has his ionic energy powers, not sure what he could do with them though.

Coming into this thread I didn't even think WM would win, but someone had to point out all the IM nonsense that was being put forth.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
So if WWH would have been bounding away in the air or running down the road the satellites couldn't have tracked him down...? I'm saying that if Tony didn't want to get close to WWH he wouldn't need to and he could still fight him (from a distance). And I'm not nessarily say that IM would have or should have beaten THOR down in #3, I'm saying that Tony knows THOR's powers and what he can do... He's absorbed THOR's blasts in the past why not now...? And you can't say that they where too powerful because he's taken more powerful blasts than magical lightning too many times to count... (Can you say nuclear blasts...etc.)

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In the past Thor has always held back, he has never fought IM seriously to my knowledge. IM does not have a chance against Thor.

Originally posted by Mindset
And I know IM didn't intend to beat Hulk purely hth, but that became his only option, and he lost. I wasn't aware IM was given preptime is this fight to prepare, oh, maybe because he wasn't. Tony can't match people like Thor, Sentry, or Hulk. This has been proven when he was beaten by all three of them in their most recent fights. He can use any suit he wants, he will still lose.

Really? For some reason I happen to remember Sentry going down thanks to Cloc (spelling?), and Hulk was defeated by him yes? One on One fights are not always the ways to a win. Thor was PIS. YES Thor is more powerful, NO Tony should not have gone down that easy.

But you're right, this fight is between IM and WM. What proof do you have IM has better reflexes? Current WM doesn't have much speed feats, but he has kept up with Sentry in flight speed. And you mean the same repulsor beams that were blocked by Spiderman's webbing?

Iron-Man recently created an early warning system that works just the same as Spidermans Spider Sense.

As far as speed goes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Ironboy/iron%20man/Invincible20Iron20Man200920page2015.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2789/sentryfliesacrossplanetxw7.jpg

And his energy output can reach temperatures hotter than the sun itself:
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26150188gm1.jpg

His repulser beams and pulse bolts have hurt the likes of Fing Fan Foom, so yea, you shouldnt take light of them

And WM still has his ionic energy powers, not sure what he could do with them though.

Any energy output would get absorbed. Take a nova focused blast for instance:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorptionnovablastis6.jpg

He has also absorbed the likes of Silver Surfers energy, and an attack of the Power Cosmic from Terrax. I doubt his ionic energy powers will prove to do much.

I have one question to ask:
Does WonderMan have a human anatomy? In the sense that nothing is upgraded past his physical stats? Because if not, Ironman has a sonic attack that shuts down the human brain through a specific frequency. This works on all humans. If thats the case, Ironman wins every single time without even lifting a finger.

In the past Thor has always held back, he has never fought IM seriously to my knowledge. IM does not have a chance against Thor.