Are drugs actually bad for you?!?

Started by PVS8 pages
Originally posted by dirkdirden
You’re also forgetting the fact that hundreds of researchers have already done the research and have concluded that weed is worse that tobacco on the lungs.

***links to any valid source for stated 'fact': conveniently left out
oh, i forgot, you're from teh intranetz, so i shouldnt question

Originally posted by dirkdirden
It would have been pointless for them to research tobacco when there subject was cannabis.

i agree. so then why, pray tell did they include such pointless and baseless data?

Originally posted by dirkdirden
The only reason they said it “maybe” instead it “is” was so that they didn’t have to link or site other researchers research, adding evidence to support an already know fact would waste time, space, and go off the subject of cannabis.

no, they said 'maybe' because they knew that their flawed hypothesis was just that. just a moot point that they threw in so that people like you can translate it as fact and parrot it on teh intranetz...in spite of any rational observation that their conclusion is for shit, based on nothing more than elementary deductive reasoning. sad that you're incapable of climbing aboard the reality train

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Rant and rave all you want but the fact is the article and research is sound.

i have presented a completely valid rebuttal and completely shot down their point on smoking cigarettes vs smoking pot. all you have done is cram shit in your ears and scream "LALALALALALA"

Re: Are drugs actually bad for you?!?

Originally posted by KILLA420
self explanitory.

Duh.

No drugs aren't bad for you. I mean it's only acid, it just makes you insane 🙄

Hmmm are drugs bad for us.

Yes, they may be pleasurable, but they do have an adverse affect on your body physically one way or another. Occasional use I have no problem with. Even over the counter drugs have adverse affects on your organs.

But talking about some illegal drugs:

Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.
Speed, crank..etc. really destroys your neurological systems and bones and later on causes chronic pain needing more drugs to numb the pain the damage it has done to your and nerve endings... even once you stop taking it, of cause that being that you were a strong user.

Coke is the real thing......no, just kidding.......

Valium and downers makes one lose bone density like really bad. It, when you are older will attribute to osteoporosis, easy bone fractures...blah blah blah......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmmm are drugs bad for us.

Yes, they may be pleasurable, but they do have an adverse affect on your body physically one way or another. Occasional use I have no problem with. Even over the counter drugs have adverse affects on your organs.

But talking about some illegal drugs:

Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.
Speed, crank..etc. really destroys your neurological systems and bones and later on causes chronic pain needing more drugs to numb the pain the damage it has done to your and nerve endings... even once you stop taking it, of cause that being that you were a strong user.

Coke is the real thing......no, just kidding.......

Valium and downers makes one lose bone density like really bad. It, when you are older will attribute to osteoporosis, easy bone fractures...blah blah blah......


well said. also, i dont buy into the whole "everything in moderation" BS either.

Originally posted by BlackC@
No drugs aren't bad for you. I mean it's only acid, it just makes you insane 🙄

acid is known to accelerate/agitate existing chemical imbalances of the brain/psychosis/schizophrenia, however it doesnt just create these problems.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Pot does impair thinking, audio and memory.

temporarily. lets not pretend that it permanently damages said brain functions, as it never has been proven to do so, despite all the desperate studying with hopes to prove just that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well said. also, i dont buy into the whole "everything in moderation" BS either.

yes, its bullshit...because you said so. 🙄
thats awesome...im going to do that from now on. when someone posts contrary to my opinion im going to just say "thats BS" and fly away with no explanation.

yeah well...thats BS.....
*flies away*

The body works in two ways. One it accepts what it needs, two, it attacks as, or as a free radical........It just depends how many free radicals you want to deal with.

and that determines how many trips you make to the bathroom, right?

I could, yes.

you could determine how many poop trips i make a day?

Originally posted by PVS
all you have done is cram shit in your ears and scream "LALALALALALA"

Yes you are correct I allow unreliable sources like doctors, researchers, scientist, us government, and the British lung foundation to cloud my mind of the truth that smoking weed is harmless. The only source you have used is yourself. You’re a fool who should listen to is own advice and take the shit out your ears and stop lalaing.

Because you refuse to do look up information on the subject I’ll link a reference for you to read. I know you are WAY smarter then everyone at the British lung foundation and every one in the world for that matter but I'll link it anyways.

http://www.lunguk.org/downloads/A_Smoking_Gun.pdf

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yes you are correct I allow unreliable sources like doctors, researchers, scientist, us government, and the British lung foundation to cloud my mind of the truth that smoking weed is harmless. The only source you have used is yourself. You’re a fool who should listen to is own advice and take the shit out your ears and stop lalaing.

Because you refuse to do look up information on the subject I’ll link a reference for you to read. I know you are WAY smarter then everyone at the British lung foundation and every one in the world for that matter but I'll link it anyways.

http://www.lunguk.org/downloads/A_Smoking_Gun.pdf

1-you never posted this study, so how could i have ignored it?

2-this is a study based partly on which is more potent: cigarettes or pot, which the other study did not focus on objectively and by proper research.

3-the burden of proof is not on me, since i never said that it was incorrect that weed was more potent then cigarette smoke, only that the assumption made in the initially posted topic study was baseless and relying on an illogical control, of which i am correct. come to think of it, the only one to boldly declare 'fact' was...you.

4-i have never and will never ignore data/information/news/etc from any reputable source, unless i clearly see such a flaw as i pointed out and you choose to continue ignoring like a child.

5-if any of the above is inaccurate, and i have declared as a fact or even suggested that pot smoke is harmless and/or less harmful than tobacco, post the quote, or have a nice big glass of 'STFU you petty liar'.

as far as the newly posted study i have read it, as i have respect and decency enough to read people's posts word for word and any non-bias, non-flawed, non-agenda based information they post, unlike you...who apparently chooses to lazily glaze over posts, lie and accuse the poster with ridiculous claims, and parrot the same response over and over.

and as for the newly posted study:

whats this? a study focusing on the bronchial effects of marijuana rather than a baseless assumption? well that is worth taking into serious consideration. btw, again, since you have trouble reading, i never said this was incorrect. oh, im full of shit? again, quote me or shut your hole.

now read the last sentence of page 9:

furthermore, tolerance to the bronchodilator effects of THC has been demonstrated after several weeks of use

so this would assume that the lungs either develop a tolerance to smoke, or perhaps alveoli become clogged with tar/resin (depending on tobacco or weed) causing the lungs to take in less smoke....who knows. i wont assume, but rather just say that this information proves me correct in my skepticism of the first posted article. if lungs can develop any tolerance to smoke, than you cannot assume that pot is more dangerous because those who smoke weed and tobacco as opposed to nothing at all are less likely to have a bronchial infection....btw this is the 4th time i've repeated this fact and the 4th time you will most likely ignore it.

until you have the respect to read what people post, perhaps you should not attempt to have a debate.

:edit: the fact that i can see that you're replying not only 15 seconds after i posted this tells me you have not read the damn post and are continuing to ignore 99% of these stated words and thus should just be ignored. i see alot of parroting of false accusations in this thread's immediate future. "blah blah ignoring scientists/doctors, etc"

I read every post you posted, you claimed the first article was flawed because they didn't have research to prove that weed maybe have worse effects on the lungs than tobacco.

I said they didn't need to do or show the research because it had been researched so many times that it is unnecessary to do it again there for it wasn't a flawed article. Then I showed just one of the many examples of other research that backed up the original articles clam that weed may be more damaging on the lungs than tobacco. Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I read every post you posted, you claimed the first article was flawed because they didn't have research to prove that weed maybe have worse effects on the lungs than tobacco.

I said they didn't need to do or show the research because it had been researched so many times that it is unnecessary to do it again there for it wasn't a flawed article. Then I showed just one of the many examples of other research that backed up the original articles clam that weed may be more damaging on the lungs than tobacco. Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

WRONG AGAIN. they have no business including assumptions based on THEIR OWN study. if they were to include data from another research then they would have sited it. dont make up your own lazy and inadequate standards for studies/hypotheses just to feel correct. they made a direct conclusion based on their own studies. watch again:

Originally posted by dirkdirden
A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers8. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent abuse can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways9. Smoking marijuana possibly increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers10.

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens9,11. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke12. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells13. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco. [/B]

that is what i have argued and what you continue to childishly ignore. how obnoxious and pathetic

what do you hope to gain by ignoring a valid point by attempting to warp the standards of scientific research and deductive reasoning?

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Among most people this is commonly accepted knowledge and doesn’t need to be supported when claimed, therefore the original article is sound.

added point: its still not fact adn so must be sited or at least include "other research suggests" as opposed to only their own data>conclusion, unless that data leads to a valid conclusion. its hypothesis, as both articles clearly state. the only one who has declared it as fact is you. therefore you are factually wrong.

this video is a pretty good visualization of what the world looks like when you are having a bad trip on drugs. the song kicks ass too!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoMxJPo4is

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
this video is a pretty good visualization of what the world looks like when you are having a bad trip on drugs. the song kicks ass too!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoMxJPo4is

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Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
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