Kilowog versus Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not the mighty push galactus back, beat celestials, take beams that can destroy the Ultimate destoyer, thor. He would dare turn to anyone for help would he? Unless he's not the uber Thor is forum is trying to make him.

One Thunder God against an army of Loki's minions that were powerful enough to overrun Asgard? Yeah, he's uber, but not that uber. He had to gain the power of the Odinforce and the Runes to defeat them all, and solve the problem of Ragnarok. It's a good read.

So your right. Its not canonical. The fact that its not revelant to the topic makes it a moot topic 😬

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Two GL's, guard the area around a star that is heavily unstable.

The star goes nova (Which the GL's survive without issue), and forms a black hole instantly (Thanks to, we can assume, the technology of the Spider Guild). Now, they seem unable to escape the pull of the black hole and even together they can't save the ship also being pulled into the black hole, BUT they SURVIVE the black hole just fine!

THEN Kilowog comes in, pulls the ship OUT of a Black Hole, and enters undaunted 😐

Anyways the ring and the hammer are both badass, but I give it to Kilowog 6/10 😬 While the hammer has one shot powers, the ring is KNOWN for doing ANYTHING the wearer wills it to do. 😐

Originally posted by masterbruce
The people with 2 rings who didn't do much doesn't prove that having 2 rings isn't a benefit. Those dual wielders might have been even worse with 1 ring and having 2 rings allowed them to be at least mediocre. Otherwise, why even have 2 rings, just for ornamentation, i doubt it.

That's it, honestly if it actually gave them a power boost, which as stated doesn't. Don't you think more people would wear two rings? It really isn't benefical at all.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That's it, honestly if it actually gave them a power boost, which as stated doesn't. Don't you think more people would wear two rings? It really isn't benefical at all.

It might give you a boost but you'd have to master it. So you're saying the GLs that wear 2 rings just do it because they're stylish or they're clueless, I don't buy it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
It might give you a boost but you'd have to master it. So you're saying the GLs that wear 2 rings just do it because they're stylish or they're clueless, I don't buy it.

No it doesn't as STATED. No it helps boost their confidence not their overall power as STATED. Those who wore 2 rings never did anything of note worthy, it didn't help them much at all if any.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
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I never said anything about draining Thanos, or anyone higher up like that. I wouldn't even think of it happening. However, it's been shown before that the hammers can drain energy, absorb it, and redirect it.

Thats true. But how often has Beta Ray Bill himself done that? You'll recall, it seems that the power of the Hammer's - both Thor's and BRB's - was actually overcome by the absorbtion abilities of Katie Power, of the Power Pack.

Drained those babies dry, as I recall.

While we haven't seen Kilowog do much energy absorbtion, we know that the rings are capable of the same. So does that count then?

Also, the rings can't take a soul out of a man's body,

Can, and have! They've done it to Billions, as someone already showed.

or summon storms of magical lightning,

Well thats more specialized than it is impressive. While Kilowog certainly can't summon storms of magical lightning, he can do a lot of other energy tricks that would have the same basic effect.

drain the godly energies out of someone, etc.

When have we seen BRB do this?

I'm not saying that Beta's gonna take every victory, because he won't. He's at best gonna take 7 out of ten.

I'd say 50/50 myself.

By the way, I disagree with the idea that Kilowog is Superman with a GL ring. He's actually much more analogous to The Thing, in all areas, IMHO.

Originally posted by Desaad
Thats true. But how often has Beta Ray Bill himself done that? You'll recall, it seems that the power of the Hammer's - both Thor's and BRB's - was actually overcome by the absorbtion abilities of Katie Power, of the Power Pack.

Drained those babies dry, as I recall.

While we haven't seen Kilowog do much energy absorbtion, we know that the rings are capable of the same. So does that count then?

Can, and have! They've done it to Billions, as someone already showed.

Well thats more specialized than it is impressive. While Kilowog certainly can't summon storms of magical lightning, he can do a lot of other energy tricks that would have the same basic effect.

When have we seen BRB do this?

I'd say 50/50 myself.

By the way, I disagree with the idea that Kilowog is Superman with a GL ring. He's actually much more analogous to The Thing, in all areas, IMHO.

Beta's known to have the best control over his hammer. He rivals Thor. Though we haven't seen him do the more outrageous uses of the hammer, there are other times when we've seen him do things as Thor has, such as manipulating the EMS, using a combination of Uru hammers to travel through time, etc. Saying he can't do it is honestly ignorant, becasue it's not beyond the scope of his abilities.

Originally posted by Roldz
Or maybe they dont know that it really doesnt matter.. Take Cyborg Supes for instance his got more than 2 rings it didnt help against Hal wielding 1 ring..

Actually. Hal was receiving help from his "girlfriend" mentally which enhanced him significantly. To defeat Borg, they both got inside a mech that multiplied their rings 100x over.

200x GL power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 rings.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually. Hal was receiving help from his "girlfriend" mentally which enhanced him significantly. To defeat Borg, they both got inside a mech that multiplied their rings 100x over.

200x GL power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 rings.

thanks for pointing that out. I hate it when ppl leave out critical details just to support their point, it is the same as lying.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually. Hal was receiving help from his "girlfriend" mentally which enhanced him significantly. To defeat Borg, they both got inside a mech that multiplied their rings 100x over.

200x GL power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 rings.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Can you scan that? I don't remember that being stated.

No problem..I'll dig up the issues when I get home.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually. Hal was receiving help from his "girlfriend" mentally which enhanced him significantly. To defeat Borg, they both got inside a mech that multiplied their rings 100x over.

200x GL power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 rings.

No that was after the battle with Hal had with Cyborg, Hal was going even with him even though he was in a weaker form. That was seperate. Once again as stated in the actual comics it does not amplify a users power. Why do I have to repeat myself?

She helped him break free of the will hunters. She didn't countinually aid him in battle stated in the actual comic

Originally posted by masterbruce
thanks for pointing that out. I hate it when ppl leave out critical details just to support their point, it is the same as lying.

Right and there's the fact your ignoring what's stated in comics how it doesn't increase power. Yet I'm lying? I have the friggin issue, she didn't augement him at all. Only aided him to overcome the willhunters, and then as stated Hal was on his own. There's that word again..."stated"

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Right and there's the fact your ignoring what's stated in comics how it doesn't increase power. Yet I'm lying? I have the friggin issue, she didn't augement him at all. Only aided him to overcome the willhunters, and then as stated Hal was on his own. There's that word again..."stated"

so again, you're telling me that the GLs that wear 2 rings do it as a fashion accessory and that they're clueless as to the lack of benefit to a 2nd ring?

Originally posted by masterbruce
so again, you're telling me that the GLs that wear 2 rings do it as a fashion accessory and that they're clueless as to the lack of benefit to a 2nd ring?

Do you even bother reading what I said? I'm not saying it personally, it's what's STATED in the COMICS! My god it's like pounding a stake into a groud using your head.

It gives confidence, not POWER!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually. Hal was receiving help from his "girlfriend" mentally which enhanced him significantly. To defeat Borg, they both got inside a mech that multiplied their rings 100x over.

200x GL power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 rings.

Originally posted by masterbruce
thanks for pointing that out. I hate it when ppl leave out critical details just to support their point, it is the same as lying.

Freakin guy does not want to listen.. Geez

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Do you even bother reading what I said? I'm not saying it personally, it's what's STATED in the COMICS! My god it's like pounding a stake into a groud using your head.

It gives confidence, not POWER!

I accept that it gives confidence, not power. But my point is that is a BIG BENEFIT.

Hal has great willpower, perhaps the greatest, but it's not limitless, or else he would be omnipotent with the ring's potential.

So unless you're saying Kilowog CANNOT be ANY MORE confident, having 2 rings would benefit him in a battle as opposed to 1 ring.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I accept that it gives confidence, not power. But my point is that is a BIG BENEFIT.

Hal has great willpower, perhaps the greatest, but it's not limitless, or else he would be omnipotent with the ring's potential.

So unless you're saying Kilowog CANNOT be ANY MORE confident, having 2 rings would benefit him in a battle as opposed to 1 ring.

It's a benefit, but honestly if it was a huge benefit don't you think more people would use it?

What are you talking about? the second ring doesn't boost his confidence to unreal levels or even allow them to keep it for the whole battle. As shown when others donned two rings. It's a temporally ego boost, nothing more as shown in the comics.

Not really, do you know who Kilowog is? He's never ever ever ever had a problem with confidence. Here let's put it this way, you prove to me it would be effective than. With actual evidence from comics.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's a benefit, but honestly if it was a huge benefit don't you think more people would use it?

What are you talking about? the second ring doesn't boost his confidence to unreal levels or even allow them to keep it for the whole battle. As shown when others donned two rings. It's a temporally ego boost, nothing more as shown in the comics.

Not really, do you know who Kilowog is? He's never ever ever ever had a problem with confidence. Here let's put it this way, you prove to me it would be effective than. With actual evidence from comics.

Ok, let me break it down like this.

1. From my understanding, the potential of the ring is only limited by the willpower of the person controlling it, hence why Hal is so powerful since he has the greatest willpower.

2. Willpower is directly related to confidence. The more confident you are, the more will power you have.

3. Hence, by deduction, the more confident you are, the more potential you have with the Ring.

At, this point do you disagree with any of my premises?

Now, let's use Hal as the benchmark since he's the greatest GL. Let's say his willpower is 100.

Unless you're saying Kilowog's willpower is ALSO 100 and thereby saying he's equally powerful as Hal, Kilowog would receive a boost in willpower/confidence from the second ring.

If you claim that Kilowog is the same as Hal in willpower, then my argument is moot.