The Spiritual Side of Superman Returns...
This has been much discussed and debated by people, and now there is a new interview with Bryan Singer that shows just how much he meant for certain things to look and sound like other certain things.
The interview also goes into the original '78 Superman film, and look for a tidbit where Singer says that Superman II's fortress of solitude love scene isn't exactly cannon to him......
The Spiritual Side of Superman Returns
Source: Stephen Skelton December 4, 2006
Stephen Skelton, author of "The Gospel According to the World's Greatest Superhero," recently talked to Superman Returns director Bryan Singer and you can read the interview in full below. In the absence of a director's commentary on the new Superman Returns DVD, this interview offers interesting insights into Singer's vision for his film. In this version of the interview, which is more complete than other versions that have appeared before, not only does Singer reveal the biblical meaning behind the movie magic of the film, but he also discusses topics such as Superman: The Movie and Donner/Mankiewicz:
Skelton: Now we're going to a spiritual audience with this interview, so I'm going to focus on the spiritual side of Superman and then the spiritual symbolism in Superman Returns. In an interview with Wizard magazine last year, you said "Superman is the Jesus Christ of superheroes." How is Superman the Jesus Christ of superheroes?
Singer: Well, I think in a couple of ways. One, because that piece of terminology implies a weight to the character. I mean, if you're saying this is the Jesus Christ of anything, you're pretty much applying a measure of importance and weight to it. This is something obviously. I also think in a way there is something that started to evolve in the early evolution of the comic but became extremely crystallized in Richard Donner's interpretation in 1978. And that was the notion brought forth by something Marlon Brando as Jor-El the father said. Which is quite simply, when referring to the people of Earth, he said, "They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. It is for this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you—my only son." And there was something when I heard that as a kid, there was something that resonated very much with me. I was a Jewish kid, adopted, only child. And I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood. I used to go to a Christian youth club. So I was religiously very, all over the place. I was not a particularly religious kid growing up. But those influences and those ideas and somehow seeing them come forward in movies like Superman and also Star Wars for that matter, in a strange way.
Skelton: E.T.
Singer: Seeing these kinds of, I call them Judeo-Christian allegories emerge in these, what are ostensibly science fiction fantasy films, I found very potent to me. And I have a fundamental belief that these comic book heroes, characters like Superman will emerge as our 20th century's mythology. And five hundred years from now, they will be looked back at kind of the same way that we look back at King Arthur and Merlin and Excalibur and these other myths that were very much inspired by these, by Judeo-Christian principles. I mean, I don't want to suck the entertainment out of it. It's still Superman. It's supposed to be fun for the whole family. But ever since I heard Marlon Brando utter those words, the character, meant in a celebratory way, had an additional messianic quality to him that he did not have necessarily when I was watching the 1950s television series.
Skelton: It's true. It's absolutely true. And a quick side step, a thing that just occurred to me. Thank God for Tom Mankiewicz who went in there and did that type of a layering. Because in the Puzo script, if you go back and look at that, all of those significant lines are really missing. And because they're missing, in my opinion, it does lack a certain depth, as you said a minute ago.
Singer: Absolutely. When I say Donner, I mean Donner/Mankiewicz. Recently, I spoke to them. We talked about it. I sat with both of them. In fact, they were at the premiere and they were shocked, they were surprised that I went so deep into the Brando language to access some of those things and to also utilize some of those visual iconographies.
Skelton: What is Donner's current temperature on that whole thing? You know, Mankiewicz has been very free in talking about it. And Donner, it strikes me, has always been just a little bit hesitant.
Singer: I think Donner, because Richard Donner comes from a, kind of a… He might not talk about it simply because he considers himself, like most of us, an entertainer first. And he doesn't want to make it about too much more than entertainment. That being said, I guarantee he's an extremely bright, extremely brilliant and observing gentleman and I guarantee that none of that is lost on him at all.
Skelton: None of that escaped him.
Singer: And also the origin story of Superman was more analogous to the story of Moses. The child placed in the vessel, sent to another planet, or down river to fulfill a destiny. In the case of Kal-El, sent to another world to lead others. So I think in the origin story, the analogy was more about that, if there was one to be drawn. Here in this movie, it's much more clearly about the return of the savior, sacrifice. And clearly, some I'm sure are coincidental that come from my subconscious as a filmmaker growing up in a Judeo-Christian culture. And some of them are quite obvious and quite specific. Like, you know…
Skelton: Oh, I think we'll get to them. We're on the same ground. The same holy ground, here. Would Superman be as appealing if he did not have this Judeo-Christian allegory? Or does it add weight and depth and profundity to the Superman story?
Singer: He might be appealing simply because he can fly and lift heavy things. But frankly, he would not be as longevic. Superman has survived for seventy years in some of the most bizarre incarnations and through some of the most tumultuous times in global history. And there's not a place you can go in the world that does not know Superman.
Skelton: You have famously said, just a side thing that just occurred to me, which I thought was an apt comparison, but you said: "Take the cross and the S-shield into the jungle, and you will have 50-50 recognition."
Singer: Yeah.
Skelton: Time magazine said, "Earlier versions of Superman stressed the hero's humanity…The Singer version emphasizes his divinity…He is Earth's savior: Jesus Christ Superman." However, I take a little bit of an issue with that. Certainly Donner's "Superman: The Movie" stressed the parallels to Christ, as you were touching on before we started the interview. Now, I think I know the answer to this. But do you see your version as different or similar in that regard? Doesn't it pick up from what Donner was doing and kick it up a notch?
Singer: It celebrates that notion. These stories are told in so many different ways. From Sunday School to pop culture. You're not saying that Superman is Jesus Christ. He's not. He's Superman. He's the last son of the planet Krypton; he's in love with Lois Lane; he has a human side. There's a lot of things going on here that are a product of comic fantasy. But if you're going to have lines like Marlon Brando saying, "I send them you—my only son." And there being spoken with absolute seriousness, then when you carry it forward and you have him return after five years, face an immeasurable conflict and then… I mean, it's all... I mean, if you're going to tell that story, you've got to tell it all the way. You've got scouring at the pillar, the spear of destiny, death, resurrection, it's all there. And I remember sitting with one of my writers and we were watching the visual effects of him [Superman] falling to Earth. And his hands are extended and he falls to Earth in that very…
Skelton: It's the crucifixion pose; it's beautiful; it's fantastic.
Singer: Yes. And he [the writer] looked at me—and he went to Catholic school, it's very interesting—and he looked at me and he said, "Are we…?" He said, "Are we…? Shouldn't he open his legs a little bit more? Are we…? Is this too on the nose?" And I said, "If we're telling this story…"
Skelton: We're telling it.
Singer: "We're going to tell the story. If we're going to tell this story, some parts are going to be subtle. But this one is not." And we were in the theater, he was visiting the effects session, just looking what I was doing, and I just said, "Either we're going to tell it or we're not." Either we're going to have him float down kind of in [the position of the crucifixion] or not. And it's entirely plausible the way we left him in the scene, in the moment, that he falls in that position and then he falls out of it. But if there was ever a time to hammer it home, this is it. Visually, this is it. And what's wonderful is when you see it with an audience. And I worried, that there could be a snicker. But instead you could hear a pin drop.
(cont.)