Originally posted by Kutulu
^^ Quoted for Truth. These entites are aspects of the universe, not of each other.
Except Oblivion though, he stands in a class by himself.
Oblivion is the anti-thesis of the Universe, Oblivion's Realm is Outside of the Universe, Outside of the Multi-verse.
Oblivion's purpose is to keep ALL the Universes in the Omni-verse from expanding any further, as a Universe is made of Space and Time primarily, which equals Reality,
Oblivion is what lingers when there is no Universe or Multi-verse, Oblivion is Un-Reality, the Void, nothingness.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Except Oblivion though, he stands in a class by himself.Oblivion is the anti-thesis of the Universe, Oblivion's Realm is Outside of the Universe, Outside of the Multi-verse.
Oblivion's purpose is to keep ALL the Universes in the Omni-verse from expanding any further, as a Universe is made of Space and Time primarily, which equals Reality,
Oblivion is what lingers when there is no Universe or Multi-verse, Oblivion is Un-Reality, the Void, nothingness.
So is there a multi-Oblivion and a regular Oblivion like there is a regular Death and a multi-Death?
Originally posted by Kutulu
So is there a multi-Oblivion and a regular Oblivion like there is a regular Death and a multi-Death?
Apparently there is only one Oblivion.
The thing is Oblivion is not part of any Universe unlike Death.
Because to be part of a Universe, as in Abstracts, there has to be Reality for the Concept to exist.
Death is a reality of Life.
Oblivion is the opposite of Reality, when a Universe is erased from existence or it collapses/folds into a Black Hole, that area of the Omni-verse becomes a Void (emptyness/nothingness) Oblivion is the embodiment of that Void.
They are equal and would destoy each other. There is absolutely nothing in one universe that has not or CANNOT be duplicated. The source is God's power, So it is easily a match for the Heart of the Universe. Which is one reason God blocks the Old and New Gods from gaining it's secrets. IT would be very easy for the presence to Allow DS entry into the source to match Thanos with THOU. And Marvel can just as easily match The GL corps. One Korvak or Phoenix entity could keep the corps busy for a long while. IMO they are dead even.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Negative.That's Wiki confusing people,
Oblivion is NOT part of any Universal structure.
Death needs Life to be sustained,
Oblivion needs NOTHING.
I said flip side, not counter.
Eternity COUNTERS Death.
Infinity COUNTERS Oblivion.
Eternity and Infinity are FLIPS.
Death and Oblivion are FLIPS.
In all honesty, I think that Marvel takes this. Don't get me wrong, it's NOT because I prefer Marvel over DC(even though I'll admit that I do), it's just the way the companies are structured. DC likes to emphasize the power of it's heroes(I'm sure that we can all admit that the average DC hero is more powerful than the average Marvel hero), but Marvel likes to emphasize the power of it's cosmics. I'm not saying that DC doesn't have cosmics, it's just that Marvel focuses more on that respect, and therefore has more of them, with more feats backing their power level.
Take out all the cosmics on both sides, and DC takes it.
With the cosmics present, Marvel takes it.
Oh Really? I think you just don't know how many DC cosmics there are and how powerful they are. You'd be surprised. Just what do you think the MU would do against The entire 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th dimensions of Imps? HMMM?
DO you know who the Infinite Man is? ( not to be confused with the infinity man). Or Dr. Manhattan? Or The Nebula Man? Or Sivaa the Destroyer? Or all of the Old Gods. The Endless? DId you know that the presence has an army of Spectres all waiting to be unleashed should he need them?
Originally posted by King Kandy
I said flip side, not counter.Eternity COUNTERS Death.
Infinity COUNTERS Oblivion.
Eternity and Infinity are FLIPS.
Death and Oblivion are FLIPS.
I understood what you said the first time,
did you see the term "Counter" in my reply to you?
Again, Oblivion is not the flip of Death or vise versa.
Atleza is Oblivion's Counter actually.
But Infinity and Oblivion are arch enemies but for different reasons than the ones your supposing.
Infinity is the personification of Space, ever growing, but Infinity needs Time to grow, that's where Eternity comes in, Oblivion's aim is to swallow Universes/Multi-verses which are made up of Space & Time (Infinity/Eternity)
So it's easy to see why.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just what do you think the MU would do against The entire 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th dimensions of Imps? HMMM?
They would all be erased.
Canon Imps are not the top dogs in DC.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DO you know who the Infinite Man is? ( not to be confused with the infinity man).
Yea, what about em?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or Dr. Manhattan?
Dr Manhattan is no joke, I have the entire Watchmen series, one of my favorite reads,
but the DR. gets curbstomped in this one.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or The Nebula Man? Or Sivaa the Destroyer?
What about them?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or all of the Old Gods.
Inconsequential.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Endless?
These are heavy hitters, but nothing Marvel doesn't have to counter.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DId you know that the presence has an army of Spectres all waiting to be unleashed should he need them?
I'd have to see proof to believe that, or you can point me in the right direction, I have the entire Spectre collection.
Originally posted by Mr Master
They would all be erased.Canon Imps are not the top dogs in DC.
Yea, what about em?
Dr Manhattan is no joke, I have the entire Watchmen series, one of my favorite reads,
but the DR. gets curbstomped in this one.
What about them?
Inconsequential.
These are heavy hitters, but nothing Marvel doesn't have to counter.
I'd have to see proof to believe that, or you can point me in the right direction, I have the entire Spectre collection.
Let me let you in on a little secret about your little theory of NON cannon imps. your wrong. Barring hypertime, did you know that IC made all elseworlds stories cannon. If you look at the IC series, the worlds that were inside the shattered glass were ALL else worlds stories. The ones we thought were just make believe little stories actually happened. And apply this logic, if batmite and mxy in some alternate world, destroyed EVERY SINGLE UNIVERSE IN THE DCU multiverse, then that would mean they destroyed the main one and thus cannonizing thier power further. As there are no alternate imps. As you know the Imps weren't affected by crisis. And you act as if the powes I mentioned where to be laughed off. You obviously dont' know the powers of beings like the Infnite Man do you. No way to say he can be easily be beated if you did. Any one you can name from Marvel, I can name a counter. which means they are equal. Especially adding in the power of all those imps.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let me let you in on a little secret about your little theory of NON cannon imps. your wrong. Barring hypertime, did you know that IC made all elseworlds stories cannon. If you look at the IC series, the worlds that were inside the shattered glass were ALL else worlds stories. The ones we thought were just make believe little stories actually happened.
Wrong.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And apply this logic, if batmite and mxy in some alternate world, destroyed EVERY SINGLE UNIVERSE IN THE DCU multiverse,
Non Canon.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
then that would mean they destroyed the main one and thus cannonizing thier power further.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Any one you can name from Marvel, I can name a counter. which means they are equal.
These are most of the Cosmics, and those that have Cosmic level power,
Living Tribunal
True Beyonders
The Infinites
Abraxas
Post Molecule Man
Oblivion
Atleza
Multi-Eternity/Infinity/Death
HOM Genis-Vell
HOM Scarlet Witch
Cosmic Containment Units
Eternity
Infinity
Death
Entropy
the Rot
Master Order
Lord Chaos
Mistress Love
Master Hate
Eulogy
Expediency
Epiphany
Enmity
Empathy
the Anomaly
Origin
the Un-Being
the Celestials
Galactus
In-Betweener
Chronos
The Watchers
Epoch
The Stranger
The Vishanti
Cosmic Cubes
the White Phoenix of the Crown
Go ahead and counter.
The seven friendless are more powerful then the endless, even though they are just parodies.
After all, Entropy and Eternity are members, and there's no reason to suppose the others aren't just as strong.
Also, Mr.M, if Oblivion is not the counter of Infinit, but is enemies with both Infinity AND Eternity, how come he doesn't war with Eternity? I always just see him anti-Infinity.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, Mr.M, if Oblivion is not the counter of Infinit, but is enemies with both Infinity AND Eternity, how come he doesn't war with Eternity? I always just see him anti-Infinity.
Because Infinity is the embodiment of Space, while Oblivion is the embodiment of Un-Space or Non-Space.
Originally posted by grey foxGoing in my profile.
DC wins easilyGod : Destroy the opposing universe my creations.
Spectre : Ummm..yeah Yahweh you know most of those guy's are sinners, so I'm going to need a HUUUUUUUUUUGE power up. I'm thinking Superboy Prime style power up...
God : Hmmmm , Well I can't see the harm in that
*SHAZAMWTFPWNAGEPOWERUP*
Spectre : OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH !!!!!
*Annihilates 99% of Marvel easily*
Living Tribunal : *Backing away slowly* Hey..Spectre.... buddy....pal . Remember when I helped you in Marvel versus DC ?
Spectre : *Obliterates LT * Sorry LT but I'm afraid that was Retconned ..