ION vs Superman Prime

Started by Juntai5 pages

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Which multiple realities? And btw multiple realities is not the same as one reality with multiple time lines. Marvel for example has both. DC does not.

Based on what happened in Kingdom, Hypertime is clearly more like Marvel's multiple number reality mimic rather than what the DC was like before CoIE.

Switching stances now are we?
All he was doing is altering time so that the destruction did not happen. And btw there is only one timeline in the DCU.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Hmmm maybe erase him from existense??
Ion was one with the Universe.

Edit: or just takes away all his powers.

Do you know how fast E1 Superman was? He could travel at infinite velocities and space and time travel at will. He could actually dodge red sun radiation. He had only two weakness outright, magic and bad writing which his speed could not overcome.

Written by the same writers as today or the 1990s, E1 Superman literally could stop Zero Hour by himself.

Originally posted by Juntai
Switching stances now are we?

No. Nothing that I stated is in direct contradiction to anything that I said before.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Do you know how fast E1 Superman was? He could travel at infinite velocities and space and time travel at will. He could actually dodge red sun radiation. He had only two weakness outright, magic and bad writing which his speed could not overcome.

Written by the same writers as today or the 1990s, E1 Superman literally could stop Zero Hour by himself.


Did you know that Spectre admited that Ion has the power to re-write the Universe without altering anything?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Did you know that Spectre admited that Ion has the power to re-write the Universe without altering anything?

Do you know that in the Spectre's modern origin he is portrayed as one of the dumber DC Angels, which is why he needs moral guidance from a human host.

This is the same omnipotent Spectre who with the backing of the presence could not stomp the Antimonitor

The same Spectre who was punished for his stupidty for all eternity to be bonded to a host

The same Spectre who on his own destroyed thousands of years progress stabilizing wild magic and outright killed all the Lords of Order and Chaos.

The Spectre is not exactly known for his intelligence.

Edit...

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
No. Nothing that I stated is in direct contradiction to anything that I said before.
Well, you said there is only one timeline in DCU, and then acknowledged hypertime. Sounds contradictory to me.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Do you know how fast E1 Superman was? He could travel at infinite velocities and space and time travel at will. He could actually dodge red sun radiation. He had only two weakness outright, magic and bad writing which his speed could not overcome.

Written by the same writers as today or the 1990s, E1 Superman literally could stop Zero Hour by himself.

Wow, imagine that. Your using pannel feats when you debate about E1 Supes...

To bad SMP dosen't have the feats to back up what was stated about him....

Anything that was said about SMP could be dismissed as hyperbole.

Remember, SMP's 1 feat was with a GL ring. Whats that going to do to Ion?

Originally posted by Galan007
Wow, imagine that. Your using pannel feats when you debate about E1 Supes...

To bad SMP dosen't have the feats to back up what was stated about him....

Anything that was said about SMP could be dismissed as hyperbole.

Remember, SMP's 1 feat was [b]with a GL ring. Whats that going to do to Ion? [/B]

Prime was as close to a true GOD as we get in comics. A true GOD does not expend energy on trivial matters, he exists for existence's sake. By having a lot of feats would trivialize his importance.

Prime is a GOD.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Prime was as close to a true GOD as we get in comics. A true GOD does not expend energy on trivial matters, he exists for existence's sake. By having a lot of feats would trivialize his importance.

Prime is a GOD.

😆 This statment truly deserving of being profiled..

And none of that gibberish was ever stated in the entire DC one million story.

Get that shit out of here..

On pannel feats>>>>Statments about a character

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, you said there is only one timeline in DCU, and then acknowledged hypertime. Sounds contradictory to me.

Not at all. Even though hypertime includes the word time, I don't interpret it, based on what little that we have seen of it, as being about alternate timelines. I think Hypertime works like Marvel's number realities do. Each world with a cosmos with a number is unique with its own timeline(s Marvel also has multiple timelines within each Cosmos, DC eliminated multiple timelines with CoIE).

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Do you know that in the Spectre's modern origin he is portrayed as one of the dumber DC Angels, which is why he needs moral guidance from a human host.

This is the same omnipotent Spectre who with the backing of the presence could not stomp the Antimonitor

The same Spectre who was punished for his stupidty for all eternity to be bonded to a host

The same Spectre who on his own destroyed thousands of years progress stabilizing wild magic and outright killed all the Lords of Order and Chaos.

The Spectre is not exactly known for his intelligence.

Well, The Wrath is blind rage since the death of Christ. And it has no compassion. That's why it needs to be bonded to a human soul.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wow, imagine that. Your using pannel feats when you debate about E1 Supes...

To bad SMP dosen't have the feats to back up what was stated about him....

Anything that was said about SMP could be dismissed as hyperbole.

Remember, SMP's 1 feat was [b]with a GL ring. Whats that going to do to Ion? [/B]

Well two points here.

1) DC has stated back then that Superman Prime is the most powerful version of Superman ever. So that makes him more powerful than E1 Superman.

This point is somewhat debatable though.

2) Oan energy has shown itself to be malleable to the willpowers of those it is used upon. Superman routinely overpowers GL constructs when they fight.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, The Wrath is blind rage since the death of Christ. And it has no compassion. That's why it needs to be bonded to a human soul.

It needs to be bonded to a human soul as punishment for its lack of judgement for participating in Lucifer's rebellion.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Well two points here.

1) DC has stated back then that Superman Prime is the most powerful version of Superman ever. So that makes him more powerful than E1 Superman.

I don't care what was stated, that means nothing...

SMP has 1 feat (with a GL ring).

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
2) Oan energy has shown itself to be malleable to the willpowers of those it is used upon.
This means nothing...

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Superman routinely overpowers GL constructs when they fight.
Name one time Superman has overpowered a higher level GL's constructs...

And remember this is Ion we're talking about, he has the power of the entire central battery, and the starheart (just to name a few)

He also has several feats that exceedingly put him above SMP's 1 feat (with a GL ring)

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
It needs to be bonded to a human soul as punishment for its lack of judgement for participating in Lucifer's rebellion.
Incorrect. That is why Aztar's form was chosen as the NEXT Wrath[as there were ones before it.] and thus Aztar was destroyed and replaced with Gods Wrath..

When Christ was born, God deemed it so that these two contradictory pieces of himself, would not exist in reality at the same time, and thus Spectre was banished to his limbo.

When Christ died, The Wrath exploded from Limbo, crazy, and thought everything had commited the greatest sin and needed to be destroyed. He was going to cleanse reality. Thus, it was bonded to a human soul to act as it's judge.

The Wrath's eratic decision making however says nothing of his intelligence.

Ion wins 10/10
He is a Multi-versal threat Prime is nothing compare to him.
Ions just locks him in a pocket Universe

MB makes me cry with pain that anyone can be so stupid. I think a couple days after I posted he said he might leave, I wish he would because hes a joke and not a good one.

Originally posted by Al Japone
MB makes me cry with pain that anyone can be so stupid. I think a couple days after I posted he said he might leave, I wish he would because hes a joke and not a good one.

ouch..

Originally posted by Al Japone
MB makes me cry with pain that anyone can be so stupid. I think a couple days after I posted he said he might leave, I wish he would because hes a joke and not a good one.

Hey we've all harshed on MB, but don't you think you're being a little too mean? 😮