Originally posted by Jyppe
Isn't it quite obvious that Stark is a shapeshifter? I mean, they introduce all this stuff about implanting Skrull implants and at the same time half of the MU are acting very suspiciously.......
I was thinking something very similar, but not Tony.
Tony seems like he's genuinely troubled with what's going on. I mean, it's not like he's diabolically planning all of this - his world is falling apart around him.
Originally posted by manjaro
i dont know about Reed...cuz its obviously peer pressure for him...you see he never really got to unleash the fury of his true scientific genious.. mainly beucase of the warranted nagging of his wife, and of course he's been a fairly ethical guy...you gotta realize that tony isnt a notorious womanizer just cuz he's a billionaire, he can charm the pants off your grandmother, he's the master manipulator..so im sure once he presented reed with a scenario, and detailing that it wont be on US soil, so no one has jurisdiction, plus they'll be locking up law breakers anyway, he just buckled.....
No. There is nothing to suggest that Tony was playing Reed. From when Tony first laid the proposal on the table he jumped on it. There were no doubts, no second thoughts, nothing. And once he got into the groove of things he kinda let himself get carried away and continued to create and create. Imo he's the most enthusiastic of the three (Hank, Tony and Reed) and most likely he's the one laying guilt trips on Hank to keep him on their side
Originally posted by manjaro
i dont know about Reed...cuz its obviously peer pressure for him...you see he never really got to unleash the fury of his true scientific genious.. mainly beucase of the warranted nagging of his wife, and of course he's been a fairly ethical guy...you gotta realize that tony isnt a notorious womanizer just cuz he's a billionaire, he can charm the pants off your grandmother, he's the master manipulator..so im sure once he presented reed with a scenario, and detailing that it wont be on US soil, so no one has jurisdiction, plus they'll be locking up law breakers anyway, he just buckled.....And another thing...as far super geniouses who finance and Chair thier own super team, hank as always been the wannabe, the odd man out..smarter than stark but not even close in finances...almost as smart as reed, but not even close to forging and maintaing meaningful relationships.....and also not as rich😄 in fact, he usually finds work as a research scientist instead of heading his own billion dollar enterprise
as a result he's always been jealous of them...he was a founding member of the avengers but had to sit by and wacth tony stark and cap be the major faces, and get all the glory so he's like screw it! im just gonna beat the shit outta my wife and show them who's boss....then boom he went thru a series of name changes...then when that didnt work he went to the west coast avengers, and fought as dr. pym(i am actually old enuff to remeber this😄) but he wore a red jump suit, and kept shrunken gadgets in his over sized pockets, then that didnt work....skip ahead, skip ahead, back with the avengers, battled depression, susbstance abuse, and the urge to lay his pimp hand down on wasp some more.
the moral of the story is im sure he was just glad they let him be a part of it, he's lame and he knows it everybody knows it and he just thought that he can look cool again...so he's off my list forever. thats why its so obvious that he's the one thats defintaley gonna switch sides cuz he just wants someone to love him and depend on him, and while i can forgive reed, tony will have to do something super fantastic for me to start liking him again...and even then im gonna put him on probation
I agree. I think by Hank going bad that will make the character interesting, If they manage to make him into a believeable threat.
Originally posted by NiñoAraña
threat? he gets pwnd by almost everyone almost religiously 😆
Originally posted by Jade Lightning
Well honestly guys, making Tony and Reed "bad guys" depends on your personal opinion, but I for one was getting sick and tired of Marvel acting like DC in that it never took risks with its characters... I think Civil War is the best thing to happen to comics in years... stop whining.
Agreed. ✅
Originally posted by Darth Viciouspoint taken....but still, would Pym really be that pissed at everyone else that he would resort to something like this? 😕
Exactly. My point is to be a huge threat you dont have to resort to violence at first, u could do everything behind the scenes like Senator Palpatine in Star Wars. Also remember that he didnt wanna attack Cap to begin with.
Originally posted by Darth Viciousi guess we will have to see.....can't wait to find out...
Well look at how Dr.Doom turned out. He never felt the respect he desrved from Reed and also because of his jealousy. If handle correctly Pym can be a huge threat. Afterall he created Ultron and we all know bad guys tend to let their imaginations fly without care.
i wouldnt go that far.....pym doesnt have the stones to be a hardcore villain...its goona be the same ol bullshit where he's trying to find a fraternity to fit into, and then when it all blows up in everybody's face, he'll be like i didnt know what i was thinking i just wanted to be liked...now here's the thing...its fairly obvious that its cap's side that's eventually gonna win, cuz with all the geo/socio-political metaphors that CW is throwing around, you know the one's who are oppressed will be the ones to over come...and also i didnt like the way Cap and luke's capture was so anti climactic, i know that since zemo gave him the key he would be caught eventually but i had a serious problem with the fact that stark, SHIELD, and reed spent all this equipment and money to find them and some third raters just walk off the street and find him in less than an hour
I think it will be voluntary at the end. Something's gonna happen to Peter (or someone else) as a result of having their identity known, and they're going to see how it puts them (and their loved ones) in danger. Then Stark will look like a fool, but they'll still keep the option open. Something's up with Hulk too...