Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I disagree. The CW is pretty much a political/government issue, neither side wants to be wrong. Having been persecuted most of their lives by that same government there is really no need for them to get involved. Besides the government havent helped them much in anything so theres no need to help that government capture the "anti-reg". By the same token why would they help the the "anti-reg" either because by doing so theyll be getting more heat from the government and being down to 198 mutants, Magneto and Prof.X among them, well I dont like their chances. Being neutral is the right choice for them, let them kill each other.
i do see your point, and i know it is valid, i'm just annoyed that this big marvel event has very little of the x-men being involved in it...
and i do realise that the government and the other big teams havent been much help, but that only makes me believe the should be involved, because, if the government can want the likes of captain america to register, how long is it honestly going to take for them to come after the x-men and what other mutants populate the planet?
Originally posted by inamilist
wasnt civil war supposed to be over by january 🙂Im fairly disapointed with these delays, especially in light of the fact DC is pumping out 52 with no delay or even really quality problems...
How far in advance to companies have books made? If there is a book to be released in Jan are they still rushing to complete it in mid Dec?
Well Civil War was actually pushed up by Marvel by a few weeks in order to compete with 52. So McNiven basically had his deadline reduced by a few weeks
Originally posted by pr1983
i do see your point, and i know it is valid, i'm just annoyed that this big marvel event has very little of the x-men being involved in it...and i do realise that the government and the other big teams havent been much help, but that only makes me believe the should be involved, because, if the government can want the likes of captain america to register, how long is it honestly going to take for them to come after the x-men and what other mutants populate the planet?
Dont forget that the government was trying to register mutants long before CW. At least now Cap and company know first hand what the mutants felt all those years.
Originally posted by manjaro
the story was cool, but screw iron man!!if i knew better i would have hated him from back then😠 the only thing cool about IM from the saga was the prometheus armor....coolest of all time!!
Was that the armor he used in the critacally acclaimed Heroes Reborn storyline or after everything went back to normal?
I can't believe it.
Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Hank Pym actually cloned Thor from a hair.This is the crappiest explanation Marvel writers could come up with.Why they didn't just used something else for the Pro-reg secret weapon, like brainwashing Wonder Man, who they forgot that even exist, or anything than another stupid clone who is under emotonial confusion and breakdown.
Thor is a magical being, son to a Skyfather and Gaea itself.You can't clone him.He's not Supes.Thor's doesn't even need a hammer to summon the weather elements, the hammer enhance his abilities, and has other powers of his own.
Don Blake claimed Mjolnir, and actually transformed into Thor, cause he disappeared in a flash of lightning.So, he's around and maybe he'll show up to side with the New Avengers of Cap, but wasn't rumored that Ares would be part of the next Avengers roster?
What's up with Marvel?They saw Infinite Crisis and One Year Later rocked and decided to try something similar ending with a mistake they don't know where it started from?
Screwin up Thor, promosing Ares will be back, who cares for him, he was almost forgotten.We got Hercules so weak he can't take a lightning bolt from a lightning rod, not the real Mjolnir, but a cybernetic replica.And where is Wonder Man?He has always sided with Cap, he could have been a power house in the fight and no, they just summoned him to see Wanda creating havok with his powers before House Of M.
Disappointed as never before.
All this boring focus point about:
Metahumans on the good side gotta care about collateral damage, hell collateral damage was exploited to the best with Kingdom Come, there's no need, also collateral damage is sometimes the most funny thing, when the two or more superpowered being smack each other through walls, skyscrapers, punches that cause shockwaves.I mean, what is this?A spot about morality or a comic book?
Subplots about Nitro being aided, who cares about Nitro.Summoning back the NW to use them as sacrifical objects.
Bah.
ya im rather disapointed with wondermans part. He a power house and I am also very surprized he was on iron mans side and not capt.
I am also surprized capt did not ask wolverine to join him. Wolverine and capt new eachother for years and have been friends longer then any one elses. also if any one was to understand war time it be logan and yet capt did not go to find him. I am also surpirzed maverick did not show up on either side.
Originally posted by capt it up
ya im rather disapointed with wondermans part. He a power house and I am also very surprized he was on iron mans side and not capt.I am also surprized capt did not ask wolverine to join him. Wolverine and capt new eachother for years and have been friends longer then any one elses. also if any one was to understand war time it be logan and yet capt did not go to find him. I am also surpirzed maverick did not show up on either side.
Cap and Wolverine aren't exactly the best of pals, considering that Cap knows Logan murders people and whatnot
And Cap doesn't want to kill anyone in this war. And since thats all Wolverine does, I doubt he would want him on his team 😬
Originally posted by Grimm22
Cap and Wolverine aren't exactly the best of pals, considering that Cap knows Logan murders people and whatnotAnd Cap doesn't want to kill anyone in this war. And since thats all Wolverine does, I doubt he would want him on his team 😬
Depends who righting it actually. They are pals and uite good friends. Logan gives him a hard time just as he did charlie to keep him honest. The fact is capt respects logan and they are old friends.
First off logan does not just kill people. actaully he does not kill many people at all unless it in his series and even then he will not kill unless nessary. Capt knows logan would never kill another hero.
also capt knows logan understand that war time battle is a lot different then a normal fight.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Dont forget that the government was trying to register mutants long before CW. At least now Cap and company know first hand what the mutants felt all those years.
and if the pro reg succeeds? nothing will stop them going after mutants then... at least thats how i see it... 😖
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The few mutants left are already known by the government. 😬Most of the heroes are too for that matter...
i meant in the sense that they'd try to do to mutants what they did with the whole registration thing... forcing them to either register and work for the government or end up in prison... the sentinels outside the house are one thing, but what happens if say, a mutant becomes pregnant? how much of an interest would the government have in that if they thought the next david haller would could be on the way? mutants are, even with the knowledge the government have, an unknown quality (remember during civil war they underestimated cyke's full power?)
if i were the government, doing to mutants what was done to non-mutant capes is the next logical step (given how paranoid they are)
if i was cyclops or xavier, my first instinct would be to do whatever it takes to safeguard mutantkind... even if that meant helping the anti-reg succeed (though i have no idea where things will go if the anti side, however unlikely, do actually succeed).
Meh, the difference between "mutant registration" and "hero registration" is that the latter is registering a choice you've made.
Not every mutant will be an X-Man, in fact preHoM most weren't. They were ordinary people who were born a different way, and governments were proposing to register them for being born different despite them just living average ordinary lives. It's like asking someone to register because of their race or gender or sexuality.
Conversely everyone who puts on a colorful costume and runs around executing vigilante justice, does so of their own volition. They all choose to do the things they do, Marvel saying this is a civil rights issue is kind of hollow, no one has the right to be a vigilante.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh, the difference between "mutant registration" and "hero registration" is that the latter is registering a choice you've made.Not every mutant will be an X-Man, in fact preHoM most weren't. They were ordinary people who were born a different way, and governments were proposing to register them for being born different despite them just living average ordinary lives. It's like asking someone to register because of their race or gender or sexuality.
Conversely everyone who puts on a colorful costume and runs around executing vigilante justice, does so of their own volition. They all choose to do the things they do, Marvel saying this is a civil rights issue is kind of hollow, no one has the right to be a vigilante.
Oh, i know what you mean and i do see the distinction, and i'm anti reg, because as far as i see it, most of the heroes being hunted like animals have at one time or another contributed to saving the planet from a multitude of dangers, and because of one incident they are being punished. most heroes are intimately aware of the fact that civilian casualties are the last thing anyone would want, and yet the government doesnt seem to care. cap wasnt in stamford (sp?), and imo he's right to oppose the act, because to me, normal laws dont apply to superhumans, they are extraordinary individuals and the laws that govern them should reflect that, at least imo...
in the case of mutants, i think that if they dont stand up and be counted now, its going to hurt them even more.
i said it before, if someone like cap can become an enemy of the state and the people, mutanst arent going to fare much better...
Originally posted by pr1983
and if the pro reg succeeds? nothing will stop them going after mutants then... at least thats how i see it... 😖
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Hmmm Neither Iron Man nor Cap would kill on purpose to make a point. On the other hand after his apparent power boost, Magneto is a definite threath if the humans decide to mess with mutants again and with the heroes divided I dont see them beating Magneto.
i never meant to say they'd resort to killing anyone...
magneto, with all his power, hasnt been as much a deterrent as he could have been (through no fault of his own). i'd just be interested in seeing how things play out...