Originally posted by lando005
i never said the superman was the only one guilty of it others are to but he just sticks out the most for various reason. I think the same about all the characters that do the same thing
Yeah, he sticks out the most because insulting him or Wolverine is the quickest way of making friends on this forum.
First of all the x-men are a bad example for you because ALLOT of people know who they are. In fact, aren't their identities pretty much public knowledge? Most of them at least. But I do see what your saying about that being in all comics, and your right it is. However, not to the extent of Superman. He is by far the worst one for pull of incredibly unbelievable BS. Like lando said there is a certain mindset we are willing to accept. You think Spiderman, Ironman, or Black Panther could get away with not wearing any kind of mask as a hero and then put on glasses, comb their hair and act like a dork and get away with it? NO.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Bull. Sh*t.Have you ever read Superboy? He's liked by all.
He's a F*cking boy scout.
He's everyones hero.
BOYSCOUT,,, BOYSCOUT have you ever read about Superboy he has kick the entire Titans team's asses. His own friends and he has daydream about killing his classmates. He is half Luther for god's sake.
Boyscout my ass!
Originally posted by Entity
First of all the x-men are a bad example for you because ALLOT of people know who they are. In fact, aren't their identities pretty much public knowledge? Most of them at least. But I do see what your saying about that being in all comics, and your right it is. However, not to the extent of Superman. He is by far the worst one for pull of incredibly unbelievable BS. Like lando said there is a certain mindset we are willing to accept. If Spiderman, Ironman, or Black Panther could get away with not wearing any kind of mask as a hero and then put on glasses, comb their hair and act like a dork and get away with it? NO.
but like
I could name thousands of things that are wrong with most characters when you apply real world logic to them. Supes has gone to great lengths, more specifically DC writers have, to try and justify why people dont know who he is. Most issues with comics arent even dealt with at that level. When has any writer explained why trained military operatives can't shoot a moving target? They havent.
Why is this the issue that does it for you? It is far more logical that people believe that Superman is not Clark Kent than to believe that JJJ never was able to get someone to figure out Spidey's identity.
Bottom line, real life is in the real world.
(X men are a terrible example though, you are right)
Originally posted by lando005
that's not true it's just there are some things about those two that just doesn't set well with a lot of people again it's the whole mindset thing
the word you are looking for is "context" not "mindset" 🙂
Originally posted by King Kandy
Superman only can hide his secret identity through hypnotism.
But he is not a hypnotist. At least I have never seen him shown to be.
Of course thats always the answer to his problems, just give him a new ability! Just like T-vo
I really think T-vo and being immune to Kryptonite was what really put me over the top with him.
Honestly, without spinning it too far out, it is a tad bit of a stretch of believeablity to think that superman in no way covers his face up, yet people couldent figure out who he was. But likewise, thier are plenty of rediculous identity things in comics. Supermans is just a pertty extreme case. But on topic
well
i dont even know what the topic is now
Originally posted by lando005
that's not true it's just there are some things about those two that just doesn't set well with a lot of people again it's the whole mindset thing
Fair enough. But Superman and Wolverine are the same as every other hero and yet they are always the ones singled out and criticized by everybody. I think it's really sad that the same people who view Superman negatively hug the nuts of his many clones (Gladiator, Hyperion, Majestic, Sentry, Supreme, Prime) when they are essentially the same character and share many of the same character flaws. I also think it's hypocritical to dismiss everything Wolverine has done in the last 15 years (as stupid and unbelievable as they may be, they still happened and are accepted by Marvel as cannon) yet when another hero does something just as ridiculously over the top (Spawn beating GOD?!?!!) people just accept it. This is the "Comic Book 'Versus" Forum", not the "Insult The Characters I Don't Like Just To Impress My Friends Forum".
Originally posted by Sabretooth
Fair enough. But Superman and Wolverine are the same as every other hero and yet they are always the ones singled out and criticized by everybody. I think it's really sad that the same people who view Superman negatively hug the nuts of his many clones (Gladiator, Hyperion, Majestic, Sentry, Supreme, Prime) when they are essentially the same character and share many of the same character flaws. I also think it's hypocritical to dismiss everything Wolverine has done in the last 15 years (as stupid and unbelievable as they may be, they still happened and are accepted by Marvel as cannon) yet when another hero does something just as ridiculously over the top (Spawn beating GOD?!?!!) people just accept it. This is the "Comic Book 'Versus" Forum", not the "Insult The Characters I Don't Like Just To Impress My Friends Forum".
You have a good point, and to a large extent, i agree. The only thing i would say in the opposition is the fact that alot of these feats are done under horrible writeing, and that in conjunction with questonable feats just makes it that much harder to believe. If its done in relatively good or even in rare cases, excillent writeing, most people tend to bypass it. So i think these two examples you used are moreso victims of poor writeing AND rediculous feats.
ESP wolverine, in his most recent, and very crummy immortality explination.
Superman lifting an island of kyrptonite at the end of superman retunrs was kinda wierd too
Originally posted by Entity
Sorry I thought you were speaking of Connor and, to be fair they were talking about him moving from city to city, living in Hawaii and being the teen heartthrob of girls everywhere. All things i know Clark never did.But I do apologise!
Sorry again, I just farther read the panels and saw it was the hypnotism that you were trying to show me rather than it being superman as a boy. I honestly never knew that that was actually a power of his. Is there anything he can't do?
Originally posted by Sabretoothyou got a good point and i agree for the most part i just heard about this spawn beating god garbage and that to me even tops the wolverine's immortal cause he wants to be excuse marvel's using. To me things like that tell me that the writers are smoking way to much before they go to work or they just dont care anymore about the quality of their work. I think i'm gonna stop reading comics for a while after the civil war series is over.
Fair enough. But Superman and Wolverine are the same as every other hero and yet they are always the ones singled out and criticized by everybody. I think it's really sad that the same people who view Superman negatively hug the nuts of his many clones (Gladiator, Hyperion, Majestic, Sentry, Supreme, Prime) when they are essentially the same character and share many of the same character flaws. I also think it's hypocritical to dismiss everything Wolverine has done in the last 15 years (as stupid and unbelievable as they may be, they still happened and are accepted by Marvel as cannon) yet when another hero does something just as ridiculously over the top (Spawn beating GOD?!?!!) people just accept it. This is the "Comic Book 'Versus" Forum", not the "Insult The Characters I Don't Like Just To Impress My Friends Forum".
Originally posted by lando005
you got a good point and i agree for the most part i just heard about this spawn beating god garbage and that to me even tops the wolverine's immortal cause he wants to be excuse marvel's using. To me things like that tell me that the writers are smoking way to much before they go to work or they just dont care anymore about the quality of their work. I think i'm gonna stop reading comics for a while after the civil war series is over.
just stop reading the major titles
a lot of the side stuff and minis that get done are great because they arent cash cows or crossovers