Originally posted by Newjak
Nice take one qoute but fail to read all my previous statements on the matter. 🙄 I said that the act of taking another person's life where one's own isn't in jeopardy has been frowned upon throughout civilization. Self defense is a basic human instinct. When you are threatened you fight for your life heck even animals do that 😉
No what you said is that with murder we should not take into account any time or circumstances. Self defense however can only because of the time and the circumstances thus your entire argument makes no sense. Unless you only want to do it in some cases.
All the examples you've shown once again take in mind ethnic and cultural items. Once again I am not. You can argue morals all you want once again I am appealing to the most basic nature of a human being. That is unless our life is in jeopardy we do not kill another human. It has been that way since the first cavemen joined a group.
The most basic nature of a human being is to survive and to take care of themselves. That is exactly what human sacrifice did that is exactly what Hitler did. At least in both cases they believed so. With Euthanasia this is not even slightly happening and yet still I would never consider it evil. And about the cavemen that is also not true, or do you honestly believed they had democratic elections back then and the smartest won the command over the group? Of course not, there was probably a lot of fighting going on between the caveman something of course considered normal back then.
It has been that way throughout our entire cultures. Now with your concrete examples 🙄 you do realize each of the cultures you have talked about had laws about not killing eachother right I mean you do know that right?
Of course they did, and they still sacrificed young children to a random volcano or cheered as one person killed another. A entire culture cheered at the death of some people an entire culture cheered as young innocent girls were thrown into a freaking volcano. That's murder. And yet still not considered evil by anybody there back then.
Go into each civilization you talked about, walk up to a random person and kill them and see what happens. 😉
Exactly you yourself would be killed for murder.
Did I claim otherwise? That still doesn't make it evil.
So like I said you remove ethnic and cultural conflicts you realize that the notion of taking anyother human life is at the root of every civilization on Earth. Now did that rule always get followed no but it was still there and common among all peoples of the world.
Common laws also until recently included not allowing gay marriage, abortion was bad and Euthanasia should be damned. It also in most western nations included that listening to the Pope or random priests was more important then anything else. It still in many parts of the middle east means that killing somebody is perfectly normal if they disgraced your family. It's also considered completely normal by many civilizations to blame a woman if she gets raped. You would call them all right because it's popular opinion? Or would you still call them wrong?
Make everyone the same without a culture and you realize that no one would be allowed to kill another human being.
How do you know? It is exactly our Christian culture that prevents us from killing random people. Without culture we would have been raced without morales and values and would have not had a civilization thus killing could very well have been considered normal. After all there is no culture meaning there is nothing saying that your next door neighbor is important and nothing to stop you from taking his TV and killing him in the progress. You can't take away culture.
Is this reality no but it is what the majority of the world want no worries of being killed. I still don't see where you can say that it isn't. Thus you remove any body who would kill many other people it would be a good thing becuase you are removing a bad person.
Of course most people don't want to die, but that's irrelevant most animals don't want to die either. People who choose to die are still being killed by doctors or whatever at least if they use Euthanasia and that is certainly something I applaud and think is a good thing to be honest.
And again what if you consider the people you kill as far less then you, not worthy of breathing the very air you breath? Then you certainly wouldn't consider killing them or treating them like shit as something bad, nor would others with similar views. The majority of the world might disagree but the majority is not always right. After all the majority of Germany certainly believed that Hitler was doing the right thing during WWII and yet you are still claiming he was evil.
Now it could be argued that most of them didn't know the full extent of the things going on, but that just means they never really looked into it and just thought it was pleasant that all the Jews were suddenly gone.
Now I know my idea is utopian in nature but it is still the same utopia everyone wants a world where there is no worry of car bombs stabbings and just peace. Of course except for those that would take life. [/QUOTE]