Originally posted by Laminator_X
OK, I just read through the E-Meta draft and confirmation threads in their entirety [b]We are both mistaken. You said that his powers had progressed like the originals. Scoobless and I both objected to Mimic with the modern X-men powerset, but had no objection to 60's power-level mimic (the same limitation I accepted for Super-Skrull).Evangel94 never issued a ruling, for or against, and specifically admonished elsewhere in the thread against taking lack of response as approval.
Evangel94, might you please clarify this for us? [/B]
Regarding Iceman's powers as I stated here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433310&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2
This is "classic" Iceman that has been drafted. The one where he covered his body in ice before becoming ice himself. So he's killable.He ride's around on ice "slides", uses ice "blasts", uses ice "shields", ice baseball"bats", and makes the air really cold. That's limit on iceman here.
This isn't incredibly hard to kill T-1000 iceman.
That ruling extends to anyone who has Iceman's powers. So basically Mimic has his 1960s power levels. or the original X-Men.
Originally posted by Typhus
Using THAT logic I can say Morg's bested the Silver Surfer when he's had help, and if Pulsar can only tie him then you're REALLY in trouble....
he's bested Silver Surfer and others when he ahd the waters of life or whatever. Also pulsar was in her weakened state whwen she couldn't transform into energy, only utalize it
Originally posted by stormfront13
he's bested Silver Surfer and others when he ahd the waters of life or whatever. Also pulsar was in her weakened state whwen she couldn't transform into energy, only utalize it
"Two former heralds, Silver Surfer and Firelord, learning about Morg after discovering that Nova had left Galactus expressed their concerns to Galactus about Morg's low morals but were dismissed. Morg battled and easily defeated them both."
That's pre-waters of life, Chief...
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Thanks Evangel, that's helpful.There is also a significant bone of contention between the two combatants with regards to the strength of Mimic's telekinetic powers. IE: Modern Jean Level or 60's Jean level?
And Vixen's - which should be non existent in meta level. I mean jeez, if you're not creative enough to find a way to use her without TP TK (she can use any animal attribute) you should have choosen soneone else...
thanks Ev...this is real fair, taking away some of my most powerful characters most powerful attacks AFTER the switching thread, and thanks for telling me it was classic mimic AFTER the switching thread. you've now given Typhus two big advantages. anyway....
so it's still only Morg VS half my team, and Typhus isn't even debating against that anymore. photon just uses hard light constructs to batter him, while Metldown, who has blown holes through Fin Fan Foom, Blows holes through Morg. that combined with vixen copying Krypto, uysing heat vision, mimic using his optic blasts and ice blasts, and prysm using her laser blasts morg is going down. If Nova can knock out Morg, then this team definitley can
I'm not 'not debating against that', I'm saying even IF that happens (I'd say there's a 1 in 100 chance) then I'll still pull out a win. You were so focused on picking over the mark e-meta and meata that you picked a herald that can't stand up to most of the others. Oh, well, you're mistake.
Lemme tellyou how this battle REALLY goes down. For the most part your team is young, stupid, or arrogant. (Pulsar's always protrayed as a know-it-all, Mimic's a selfish fool, and Ravenger and Echo are young) Now, your team will not be able to pull it together and will each come up with their own idea of what to do. They'll fall for my trap and one by one be downed by my team.
You keep proposing dumbass moves that break the rules and honestly I don't care to argue against them. You cannot get a one hit kill period. It's against the rules. I think this is a clear victory but I'll humor more if you like...
If my stragety was against the rules, Ev would have stated so, which she didn't, you are completley helpless against the stragety because all you have said against it is that it is unfair and illegal, which by the way it is neither.
now, Nova has knocked out Morg with the power cosmic, and the waters of life. Pulsar is more powerful than nova, and has defeated the silver surfer as well as stalmated them. hell, she's even defeated people that Thor couldn't defeat.
so it's still only Morg VS half my team photon just uses hard light constructs to batter him, while Metldown, who has blown holes through Fin Fan Foom, Blows holes through Morg. that combined with vixen copying Krypto, uysing heat vision, mimic using his optic blasts and ice blasts, and prysm using her laser blasts morg is going down. If Nova can knock out Morg, then this team definitley can
Originally posted by stormfront13
Pulsar is more powerful than nova, and has defeated the silver surfer as well as stalmated them. hell, she's even defeated people that Thor couldn't defeat.
This is where I'm having trouble believing you.
Who has Pulsar beaten? when has she ever shown to be more powerful than any Herald?
I don't remember ever seeing any of this.
Originally posted by stormfront13
thanks Ev...this is real fair, taking away some of my most powerful characters most powerful attacks AFTER the switching thread, and thanks for telling me it was classic mimic AFTER the switching thread. you've now given Typhus two big advantages. anyway....
I didn't take away anything because you never had them to begin with. It's your own fault for assuming.
This thread will be closed a few minutes before the new match tommorow. So anyone who wishes to vote will have plenty of time to do so.
I'd like to remind all tournament participants that you are required to vote in matches.
I suppose.... if tournament participants don't vote, I'll probably come up with a system to penalize you for not voting (which I'd rather not do)....but I hope it doesn't come to that so vote!
Originally posted by stormfront13
If my stragety was against the rules, Ev would have stated so, which she didn't, you are completley helpless against the stragety because all you have said against it is that it is unfair and illegal, which by the way it is neither.now, Nova has knocked out Morg with the power cosmic, and the waters of life. Pulsar is more powerful than nova, and has defeated the silver surfer as well as stalmated them. hell, she's even defeated people that Thor couldn't defeat.
so it's still only Morg VS half my team photon just uses hard light constructs to batter him, while Metldown, who has blown holes through Fin Fan Foom, Blows holes through Morg. that combined with vixen copying Krypto, uysing heat vision, mimic using his optic blasts and ice blasts, and prysm using her laser blasts morg is going down. If Nova can knock out Morg, then this team definitley can
First off, just cause I'm saying you move is against the rules doesn't mean I have no defence against it. Emma Frost can protect my men with a force field (yeah, two can play at that game). After than, your men (who you admit will thinkthey have killed my men) are caught off guard and are ambushed by my superior team. War Machine launches his nuke and even if you 'try and conrtol it' or some such nonsense - Emma is more powerful mentally than anyone on your team and overrides it. She can also take down your stupid force fields that you shouldn't have anyway.
After your men are wiped out by my nuke, it's just a matter of clean up for Morg, but is more powerful than anyone on your team PERIOD.
When you get down to it, you're just outclassed here, and since you haven't provided a phonominal strategy to counter my teams superiority (other than your questionable obscure ones) I really don't see how this battle can continue...
Originally posted by Evangel94
I didn't take away anything because you never had them to begin with. It's your own fault for assuming.
Ev, if I say Current Mimic, and you okay him, i'm going to assume that i'm getting Current Mimic, you never said classic mimic. and Pulsar has used the power cosmic, and you took just about her most powerful attack away from her just because you felt like it. you never even gave a reason as to why it was taken away.
Typhus...how can emma frost create force-fields, and take down my entire team by herslf? either way, you won so it's not like it matters. i'm just gonna leave with this, consdiering that i didn't choose characters based on stragety, i chose them based on who i liked the most.
1) you still have no defense against your team getting taken out by the hidden time bombs. even if your in a force-field, meltdown can create them inside the force-field, ad nextwave confirms, she can create them in random places, not needing to throw them. she created time bombs inside of Fin Fan Foom, and inside of cars and such.
2) You haven't provided any evidence as to how Morg will take down both pulsar and Prysm both of whom have been called the most powerful of both their respective teams. pulsar has been called the most powerful avenger ever, and prysm the most powerful titan ever. both of them are intangible and invisible, morg will have a tough time tagging them considering his attacks will only pass through them, they're invisible, and even with his cosmic awareness, they move at too fast speeds for him to tag them often enough to do any possible damage
3) Morg doesn't even have his axe, it was taken away from him by Pulsar, as she phased it out of his hands. Morg relied hugley on his Axe, and that's the main reason he defeated a lot of his opponents
4) Silver Surfer has defeated Morg, and Nova has knocked him unconsious. Now with surfer being more powerful than nova, and Pulsar defeating Surfer, morgh and her are at least equal in terms of raw power.
5) Morg can't last forever with combined assualts of Pulsar going nova with her most powerful energy forms, same with prysm, Vixen copying Krypto, and channeling heat vision, and meltdown blowing up his insides. he would go down, and you haven't provided any evidence as to how. your only rebuttle is "he'll find a way"
I'm going with Typhus. He's brought several excellent strategies. Personally, I'm worried about facing a few characters like Surfer and Morg. They're damn ****ing tough. Storm, you're an idiot. You keep trying to break the rules and cheat, like how you tried to sneak Ravager in. A character with pre-cog, a massive advantage. Luckily, I looked her up and called you on it. Your strategies violate the rules and are uninspired. Typhus has you beat. And if you think a herald of Galactus can't hurt something intangible, then you're a fool. Maybe they wouldn't have the brains to come up with a good idea or the inclination, but they certainly have the means. I'm thinking of guys like Terrax here, not guys like Surfer. You can argue that Morg wouldn't come up with this plan on his own, but he doesn't have to. He has a few excellent strategists on his team, such as Deathstroke, White Queen and War Machine. Plus, there are legitimate questions as to Pulsar's stamina and whether she can outlast someone with the power cosmic. Typhus has you crushed. You're just too blind to recoqnize it. Personally, I am hoping I can find something to put Apocalypse somewhere on the level of a herald. Otherwise, I'm screwed.
A) I got mentioned twice in a thread that has nothing to do with me? Sweet!
B) I dont understand why Pulsar could not use the power cosmic or green lantern powers. Isnt it part of her power to be able to turn into any energy, and especially once she has turned into it, to be able to use it later on in life?
C) with that said Typhus debated better. My vote goes to him
I vote for Typhus better strategies, The metas and street level im not really convince they'd be working well together but Emma/Warmachines team up Trumps Mimic/Prism, Stromfron13 team does have the speedblitz advantage but didnt really explain how it would have happened.. Regarding intangibility to remove Morgs axe, dont know if that would work Since PC and a portion of Awol resides in Morg which would play havok in what the energy use to make Prism/Pulsar intangible.. Pulsar never possess the Power Cosmic... Just my 2 cents..