The LT runs the Guantlet

1.Eternity
2.Kismet
3.Multi-Eternity
4.The Anti-Monitor
5.The Spectre
6.Abraxas
7.Pre Retconned Beyonder
8.Mr. Mxy
9.The Ultimator
10.Thanos Heart of the Universe -the power of TOAA
11.Michael- THE power of the presence (vertigo)
12.The Source -the power of the presence(DCU) and the source is a sentient being for those who tried to say it isn't. It did soundly deny the Spectre's destruction of DS.

I can't really tell if Abraxas is stronger than the spectre, but if he beat the LT, then he would count in book. Where on this list does the LT stop? 2nd most powerful being in marvel comics?

6 or 7 dont know much about abraxas.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
1.Eternity
2.Kismet
3.Multi-Eternity
4.The Anti-Monitor
5.The Spectre
6.Abraxas
7.Pre Retconned Beyonder
8.Mr. Mxy
9.The Ultimator
10.Thanos Heart of the Universe -the power of TOAA
11.Michael- THE power of the presence (vertigo)
12.The Source -the power of the presence(DCU) and the source is a sentient being for those who tried to say it isn't. It did soundly deny the Spectre's destruction of DS.

I can't really tell if Abraxas is stronger than the spectre, but if he beat the LT, then he would count in book. Where on this list does the LT stop? 2nd most powerful being in marvel comics?

Originally posted by Priest
7, Pre ret Beyonder should be well above in the list tho.

No he shouldn't. Mxy has done far more on panel via world's funnest than pre ret ever did. and the ultimator is vastly superior to mxy. No one is superior to the power of God. Not even the pre ret beyonder. He's in the right place im sure of it.

Shouldnt he stalemate at 5?

Stops at 7.

Which is far to low, by the way.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Shouldnt he stalemate at 5?

He should. But some seem to think the LT is more powerful than the Spectre. So I want to see exactly where this 2nd most powerful being in marvel would stop.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Stops at 7.

Which is far to low, by the way.

What has the beyonder done that would put him over anyone over him?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What has the beyonder done that would put him over anyone over him?

There was not one thing beyond his power. he could do anything he wanted.

He's Presence/TOAA level.

Also, why is TOAA's power lower then the Presence's (Both Vertigo AND DCU)?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Everything.

There was not one thing beyond his power. he could do anything he wanted.

He's Presence/TOAA level.

Ur wrong. Mr. Mxy did more on panel than the pre retcon beyonder ever did. Mxy destroyed and recreated the entire DCU omniverse. Not just the multiverse, but DCu's outside the main DCu multiverse.

The Ultimator made mxy his ***** and was able to destroy higher realities of beings more powerful than mxy.

Micheal is God's power
The heart of the universe is God's power
The Source is God's power.
Lucifer is equal to Michael.

The beyonder is right where he belongs on this list.

Micheal is God's power
The heart of the universe is God's power
The Source is God's power.
Lucifer is equal to Michael.

And yet you place THOTU below all of the others you mentioned.

More on panel?

Beyonder, throughout about 70 titles, showed his infinite power continuosly. Mxy just did it in one.

More on panel my @ss.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, why is TOAA's power lower then the Presence's (Both Vertigo AND DCU)?

They are all the same. Just didn't number it the same. Just for the sake of numbers. But they are all pretty much the same.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Micheal is God's power
The heart of the universe is God's power
The Source is God's power.
Lucifer is equal to Michael.

And yet you place THOTU below all of the others you mentioned.

More on panel?

Beyonder, throughout about 70 titles, showed his infinite power continuosly. Mxy just did it in one.

More on panel my @ss.

The surfer has done more things on panel than the runner, but it only took the runner once to show he is superior to the surfer. Mxy erased the DCU omniverse and actually wiped the pages clean. He trumps the beyonder. Next

As far as THOTU they are all the same. They are all Gods' power. They can be in any order. they are all still equal.

He never says the Omni-verse.

Originally posted by Mr Master

He never says the Omni-verse.

He doesn't have to. He says alternate alternates. The DCU Animated is a whole other Multiverse unto itself. Multiple Multiverse would be omniverse. 😄

I don't know about the order.
You have Mr. Mxy at 8, above Spectre and PC Beyonder?

Right now, I see a stalemate at 5.

beyonder could wipe out the Omniverse with a thought.

He said he could take out all that existed in marvel, and Molecule Man and the Abstracts all agreed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
beyonder could wipe out the Omniverse with a thought.

He said he could take out all that existed in marvel, and Molecule Man and the Abstracts all agreed.

✅

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He doesn't have to. He says alternate alternates. The DCU Animated is a whole other Multiverse unto itself. Multiple Multiverse would be omniverse. 😄

"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes, no more pasts and no more futures, no more duperdopes, no more anything."

Infinite Earths are within Alternate Universes.

No more pasts and no futures, if he already repeated himself in the latter perhaps it's just poetry, cause this could be the pasts and futures of the same people that are with said Infinite Earths within said Alternate Universes.

No more superdopes, again, these could easily be seen as the same superheroes that etc etc...

No more anything, ofcourse, .... in those "Infinite Earths, within Alternate Universes"

That could easily be intepreted as the same Everything, as a single Universal Eternity refers to himself and is referred to.

"I am forever"

"He who is everything"

Yet not the Omni-verse.

A Multi-verse is an Infinite number of Universes, that could be all the Alternate Timelines of that Multi-verse, but not the Omni-verse.