spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Batman wouldn't know he's blind, accoring to KMC rules.They get basic info on each other. Batman would learn that DD is quite the expert martial artist, is quick and agile, and utilizes billy-clubs. DD would learn that Batman is an expert martial artist that utilizes stealth and gadgets.
Nowhere in there would Batman know DD is blind. And don't try that "he's the greatest detective ever!" He couldn't just look at DD and tell he's blind. And he wouldn't figure it out during the fight either. There are villians that DD has fought for 20+/30+ years that still don't know he's blind.
Daredevil would win against Batman.
There was a comic once (yep, a crossover ...but unlike most crossovers its logic was sound ....at least when it comes to the BM DD aspect) whereby Batman deduced DD was actually a sensory adept in all senses apart from sight. When i was last here some months back there were some scans floating around KMC that showed the process that led to that deduction, and how Batman was able to use it to capitalize on DD.
Thus a matchup between DD and Bats is not an automatic DD win ....especially when going against someone like Batman who, if he deduced DD's weaknesses (not that he is blind, but that his other senses are so highly attuned to things that they can be EASILY disoriented and thus negated) would take down Matt quickly. Thus the question is ....can Batman deduce DD's weakness during an ongoing bout?
I'd say the answer is yes (not based on that comic by the way, although its logic was sound, but based on the character traits of both individuals). And if that happens then DD would immediately become an easier opponent to defeat than even Bullseye.
All in all this would be a good fight.
The only thing I would say is that one major component that would be to the benefit of Bats and Wing would be the whole 'totality factor.'
Let me explain: In a standard team fight there are two major factors to winning ....one is comprised of the individual him/her/itself, and the other is how those individuals mesh together as a team.
For instance, let's say you have 2 teams ....team 1 is comprised of A and B, and team 2 of X and Y.
Now, assume that A and B, as individuals are more powerful than characters X and Y. That A and B have an outright 'octane' advantage.
Alright.
Now take it that X and Y are only outmatched by a margin that is not TOO great, meaning that even if they are weaker than A and B they are not weaker by a big margin.
Ok.
Finally take it that X and Y have been a dynamic team for a very long time, and moreover as a team they mesh perfectly where it is almost like one person instead of two in how they synchronize action and reaction flawlessly.
In a matchup team 2 (X and Y) would almost be guaranteed a win over the first (stronger) team. Their dynamism would enable them to mitigate any advantages that the other team might have, and in the process defeat the stronger team.
History is actually filled with cases of weaker (sometimes VASTLY weaker) forces/armies/individuals defeating far stronger foes simply through dynamism (which , those here with military training or are students of strategy, will recognize as a force multiplier of the highest order).
Now, take Batman and Nightwing.
Their inate dynamism bestows upon them perfect fluidity (I could bring up the time they took down an incomplete Amazo, but that incident leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The key thing about it, and the thing that does stick up to logical coherence, is how the two worked together as one. There are other cases where Batman and NWing, and NWing and Robin, and Robin and BGirl, and Bgirl and ...., work together as one. Always flawlessly).
DD and BullsEye do not have the same advantage.
As for the 'stronger' team ....while arguments could be made one way or the other, the stronger team is definitely the Bats team.
Putting the two together gives one clear answer for the win.
BTW: This fight would be basically distilled into ONE UNIFIED person (Bats and Wing acting as one) fighting against two people (Bullseye and DD).
It would be hard for DD and BEye to win against such a force multiplier.
Now, having a one on one fight to see whether Nightwing can dodge Bullseye projectiles, or if Bats can detect DD's weakness, may be open to a lot of debate.
But as TEAMS the Batman/Wing combo has a serious advantage that the DD/Eye team doesn't have. The only way the DD/Eye team could win is if either DD or BEye were AMAZINGLY POWERFUL to such an extent that their sheer ability negated the team dynamism in the Batman team.
Sadly that is not the case.