Sinister Six versus X-Men

Originally posted by masterbruce
these are the matchups that the sinister six would use

Sandman v. Cyclops: cyke's blast ain't going to do much and he can't use a wide radius blast because his teammates are there as well. I see sandman taking this.

Electro v. Storm - The faster trigger finger wins. I see electro zapping storm before she can call lightning. And guys, she's not going to use wind when all her teammates are right next to the bad guys fighting.

Lizard v. Wolverine - tough fight, no clear victor

Colossus v. Venom - Venom is too versatile. Venom takes it after a hard fought battle.

Doctor Octopus versus Nightcrawler - Doc Oc's multiple arms will pretty much prevent NC from a sneak teleport attack. This one can go either way.

Green Goblin v. Cannonball - We see that GG's a lot more powerful now (taking out WM) but Cannonball is tought too. Slight edge to cannonball if he fights smart.

under this matchup, the Sinister Six wins.

Sandman vs. Cyclops- Agreed

Storm vs. Electro- If Storm is given the full range of her abilities, she's immune to his powers and he is not immune to hers. Storm wins.

Colossus vs. Venom- How is Venom going to win? This guy has class 100 strength and can most likely withstand anything Venom throws at him.

Dr. O vs. Nightcralwer- Nightcrawler is too fast. He could port and nerve pinch Dr. O before he knew what hit him.

Cannonball beats Green Goblin is a toughy.

X-Men win

...Why the hell would Cyclops fight Sandman?! 🤨

Arg. I'm sorry, and I really don't mean to be mean, but really. Come on. Why the hell would Scott fight Sandman?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Sandman vs. Cyclops- Agreed

Storm vs. Electro- If Storm is given the full range of her abilities, she's immune to his powers and he is not immune to hers. Storm wins.

Colossus vs. Venom- How is Venom going to win? This guy has class 100 strength and can most likely withstand anything Venom throws at him.

Dr. O vs. Nightcralwer- Nightcrawler is too fast. He could port and nerve pinch Dr. O before he knew what hit him.

Cannonball beats Green Goblin is a toughy.

X-Men win

Is Electro vulnerable to lightning. What could storm do to him without possibly injuring her teammates (remember ppl are moving during a fight, not just standing there, so any attack must be precise and cannot be areawide attacks)

Venom is much more agile and faster than Colossus. If Venom fights to his abilities, he can at least force a draw until his other mates help him.

I agree NC could kill DO. but I think that Doc Oc's arms are so fast that he would have equally good shot of taking out NC.

I agree that Cannonball takes majority over GG in that he's more powerful, but GG seems to be the smarter and more tactical fighter as opposed to the brash hothead that cannonball seems to be. This might allow GG to steal a coupla wins.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why the hell would Cyclops fight Sandman?! 🤨

Arg. I'm sorry, and I really don't mean to be mean, but really. Come on. Why the hell would Scott fight Sandman?

I agree with you. The villains would have to plan it out for that match-up. However, the heroes, being intelligent, would avoid that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why the hell would Cyclops fight Sandman?! 🤨

Arg. I'm sorry, and I really don't mean to be mean, but really. Come on. Why the hell would Scott fight Sandman?

Cyclops wouldn't want to fight sandman. But sandman will want to fight Cyclops.

I gave the optimum matchups for Sinister Six, not the xmen.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why the hell would Cyclops fight Sandman?! 🤨

Arg. I'm sorry, and I really don't mean to be mean, but really. Come on. Why the hell would Scott fight Sandman?

in the same vain, I could ask why the hell would sandman want to fight storm?

Originally posted by masterbruce
Is Electro vulnerable to lightning. What could storm do to him without possibly injuring her teammates (remember ppl are moving during a fight, not just standing there, so any attack must be precise and cannot be areawide attacks)

Venom is much more agile and faster than Colossus. If Venom fights to his abilities, he can at least force a draw until his other mates help him.

I agree NC could kill DO. but I think that Doc Oc's arms are so fast that he would have equally good shot of taking out NC.

I agree that Cannonball takes majority over GG in that he's more powerful, but GG seems to be the smarter and more tactical fighter as opposed to the brash hothead that cannonball seems to be. This might allow GG to steal a coupla wins.

Here is the problem with this fight. Storm could easily beat the whole team by herself. The rest of her team could just stay home. She could whip up the winds to smash the bad guys and use her fine-tune control to prevent the winds from touching her team. She has been able to clear off buildings of every piece of debris with her winds while leaving the building untouched. She has been able to control her tornadoes to only lift what she wanted it to lift as well.

Originally posted by masterbruce
in the same vain, I could ask why the hell would sandman want to fight storm?

He really would not have a choice if she targeted him. Look at the nature of her powers.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Here is the problem with this fight. Storm could easily beat the whole team by herself. The rest of her team could just stay home. She could whip up the winds to smash the bad guys and use her fine-tune control to prevent the winds from touching her team. She has been able to clear off buildings of every piece of debris with her winds while leaving the building untouched. She has been able to control her tornadoes to only lift what she wanted it to lift as well.

It takes storm at least a coupla seconds to conjure up a storm, no? by then the two groups would've been entangled and the wind idea is out.

bsides, storm has never been portrayed nearly that powerful as capable of taking out an entire team of villains, never mind tough ones like in this scenario.

Usually she is shown as killing one or two sentinels with lightning before getting knocked out or losing her energy. Storm has generally been portrayed as a relatively fragile member of the Xmen and she can't last very long in a fight cuz the powers drain her energy pretty fast.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Is Electro vulnerable to lightning. What could storm do to him without possibly injuring her teammates (remember ppl are moving during a fight, not just standing there, so any attack must be precise and cannot be areawide attacks)

Venom is much more agile and faster than Colossus. If Venom fights to his abilities, he can at least force a draw until his other mates help him.

I agree NC could kill DO. but I think that Doc Oc's arms are so fast that he would have equally good shot of taking out NC.

I agree that Cannonball takes majority over GG in that he's more powerful, but GG seems to be the smarter and more tactical fighter as opposed to the brash hothead that cannonball seems to be. This might allow GG to steal a coupla wins.

If Venom tried to fight Colossus, Venom would render himself completely useless to his team. He couldn't do a damn thing to Colossus.

Electro could take out Storm faster than she could do anything to him. Which is why Cyke would be needed to blast him either before he gets Storm. Storm could very easily be taken out first here. Electro has superhuman reflexes and speed, thanks to his abilities. That puts him many tiers higher than Storm.

Cyke could fire a giant blast to take out most of the SS. The X-team would have no time to get in his path if he shoots immediately.

Ock would never win against Nightcrawler.

GG would never win against Cannonball, even as smart as he is.

Originally posted by masterbruce
in the same vain, I could ask why the hell would sandman want to fight storm?

He wouldn't. Storm would attack him before he had a chance to do anything to the other team. The most powerful member of the SS is Sandman. Thus, she would take him out first, being the heaviest hitter on her team.

Originally posted by Rutog98
He really would not have a choice if she targeted him. Look at the nature of her powers.

I've seen her power in use, they're not quite as impressive as you make them out to be, unless we've seen complete different storms. The storm I know is generally a periperal support member of the xsquad who often is the first to get knocked out in a battle...so I'm unclear where you get this notion that Storm all of sudden has become a team killer.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If Venom tried to fight Colossus, Venom would render himself completely useless to his team. He couldn't do a damn thing to Colossus.

Electro could take out Storm faster than she could do anything to him. Which is why Cyke would be needed to blast him either before he gets Storm. Storm could very easily be taken out first here. Electro has superhuman reflexes and speed, thanks to his abilities. That puts him many tiers higher than Storm.

Cyke could fire a giant blast to take out most of the SS. The X-team would have no time to get in his path if he shoots immediately.

Ock would never win against Nightcrawler.

GG would never win against Cannonball, even as smart as he is.

Venom would render Colossus useless as well.

If you think Cyke unleashes a widearea blast, then I could just say that Electro can start the battle with a lightning storm taking out the entire xmen in one shot. There is at least a chance of dampening Cykes blast with cover or something, there's no chance xmen can avoid getting electrocuted.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He wouldn't. Storm would attack him before he had a chance to do anything to the other team. The most powerful member of the SS is Sandman. Thus, she would take him out first, being the heaviest hitter on her team.

also I dont even think storm could take out sandman. Her lightning wont do much and her wind (assuming hypothetically she uses it without affecting her teammates) would just scatter sandman until he reforms. Besides, he could make himself dense as metal and the wind won't effect him at all.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Venom would render Colossus useless as well.

If you think Cyke unleashes a widearea blast, then I could just say that Electro can start the battle with a lightning storm taking out the entire xmen in one shot. There is at least a chance of dampening Cykes blast with cover or something, there's no chance xmen can avoid getting electrocuted.

You know what? For once, you're right.

In all my argument, I completely forgot about Electro just soloing the team himself. I think I got caught up in some other threads which kinda spread out my attention a bit.

Anyway, I'm changing my vote. The Sinister Six win via Electro.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Venom would render Colossus useless as well.

If you think Cyke unleashes a widearea blast, then I could just say that Electro can start the battle with a lightning storm taking out the entire xmen in one shot. There is at least a chance of dampening Cykes blast with cover or something, there's no chance xmen can avoid getting electrocuted.

Won't work with Storm against him. She can dispell whatever lightning attack he tosses. She has done this to Blitzkrieg and Blitzkrieg's powers were unable to hurt her when he blasted her. She was immune. Storm could pull this trick on the bad guys though.

Haha Yeah Go Sinister Six!