Illidan VS Sephiroth

Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

go in editor and you'll see mana burn cast time is 0.1 seconds

Are you telling me that you click mana burn and it happens? last time i played you press mana burn, then select your target

Originally posted by Burning thought
but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth

You vastly overestimate his combat abilities, Illidan compared to FFVII is about as fast as Kadaj and as strong as Loz. Sephiroth suprasses each of these, thus it stands to reason He surpasses Illidan

well this stands as a draw until the burning crusade comes out, ime certain 100% that when it comes out Illidan can be proven to be a far superior fighter than Sephiroth, since as it stands, the only proof of anythng about illidan is storyline, an RTS game and a few video clips showing his incredible speed

and m8 this isnt an RTS is it, were not clicking on illiden, clicking mana burn and then clicking on a little RTS sephiroth, this is a real fight

from what we see, Illidan has age of experiance on his side, the power to drain away Sephiroths magic powers so he has to use hand to hand, and the fact that illidan can clear a space of about 20 miles in 3 seconds at the same time as wielding a pair of demonic blades i dont see how Sephiroth can easily dispatch this guy

I'm gonig to be blunt, i need alot of answers to accept what you're saying, please provide

Originally posted by Burning thought
well this stands as a draw until the burning crusade comes out, ime certain 100%

Originally posted by Burning thought
that when it comes out Illidan can be proven to be a far superior fighter than Sephiroth

Originally posted by Burning thought
since as it stands, the only proof of anythng about illidan is storyline, an RTS game and a few video clips showing his incredible speed

Originally posted by Burning thought
and m8 this isnt an RTS is it, were not clicking on illiden, clicking mana burn and then clicking on a little RTS sephiroth, this is a real fight

Originally posted by Burning thought
from what we see, Illidan has age of experiance on his side

Originally posted by Burning thought
the power to drain away Sephiroths magic powers so he has to use hand to hand

Originally posted by Burning thought
and the fact that illidan can clear a space of about 20 miles in 3 seconds at the same time as wielding a pair of demonic blades

Originally posted by Burning thought
on a number of occasions hes nearly blown up the world

Originally posted by Burning thought
summoned forth armies to destroy the world

Originally posted by Burning thought and has faced off against beings that would chew up Sephiroth[/B]

Originally posted by Mesirus
I'm gonig to be blunt, i need alot of answers to accept what you're saying, please provide

No, WoW is none canon because in story line Illidan will not be killed by a group or hordeor alliance in the way that he will soon.

It's time based attacks, none shows any skill on WoW 😬

What video clip is this?? Link if possible.

Well that its standsto reason Sephiroth has to target either, because its not a time based RPG

I could hardly call 10,000 years sitting in a prison experience. The prison was magic binding and his blades were not in there with him.

Well like i say Mana burn has a cast time and limited range, so, Sephiroth has time to cast reflect, whuch would seriously screw Illidan

.....😬 really?? when was this? if that were true you really think he'd have to worry about using the eye of Sargeras to destroy the Frozen Throne?!

tell me when, all occasions please.

again, info on this would be usuful.

who was this?

Well the armies he summoned were the Naga, he summoend them from the watery depths to destory the world, however he didnt succeed, but its quite a feet to command such things

and the Video clip i have already linked, at the end of the Trailer, Illidan effortlessly Covers the space between the ground and above the clouds in 3 seconds, the space between clouds and ground is about 10 miles at least, above the clouds

and he attempted to destory the frozen throne but probably would of smashed the world, however thats just physics on Earth, i mean if a Earthquake as big as the north pole started making explosions everywhere the Earth would wreck...

and the person who i suspect could pwn anyone in FF is the new Lich king, but i was referring to Arthas who ofcourse beat Illidan so i suppose that is not a good point against Illidan

and we cant call this fight until AFTER we have seen Illidan in TBC, Illidan is not killed in TBC, according to Blizzard staff he simple fights them as they get in his way and then leaves after theyve shown him some pain..or until hes pwned us and hell prob leave behind a chest, but that Raid will show us his Abilites, and his abilities ARE canon in WoW

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well the armies he summoned were the Naga, he summoend them from the watery depths to destory the world, however he didnt succeed, but its quite a feet to command such things

and the Video clip i have already linked, at the end of the Trailer, Illidan effortlessly Covers the space between the ground and above the clouds in 3 seconds, the space between clouds and ground is about 10 miles at least, above the clouds

and he attempted to destory the frozen throne but probably would of smashed the world, however thats just physics on Earth, i mean if a Earthquake as big as the north pole started making explosions everywhere the Earth would wreck...

and the person who i suspect could pwn anyone in FF is the new Lich king, but i was referring to Arthas who ofcourse beat Illidan so i suppose that is not a good point against Illidan

and we cant call this fight until AFTER we have seen Illidan in TBC, Illidan is not killed in TBC, according to Blizzard staff he simple fights them as they get in his way and then leaves after theyve shown him some pain..or until hes pwned us and hell prob leave behind a chest, but that Raid will show us his Abilites, and his abilities ARE canon in WoW

Summoned? no, he called to them, and they accepted his calls. They are not bound to him, but they share his hatred of the night elves

He was standing on a mountain, there was like 15 meters between itself and the clouds 😬

no it wouldn't, don't bring pyshics into a game with magic, just don't

Arthas (Deathknight) is an near equal to Illidan, New Lich would defeat Illidan with utter ease. Although it has been argued FrostMourne is way more powerful than Illidans Blades

Nothing, no dungeon or whatever in WoW is canon. Simply because every fraction leadrer has been killed, Kel'thuzard has been killed... the list goes on and on. Thus powers etc in WoW are infact none canon. Lana tells me they are then they are, but for now i am to assume they are not

Originally posted by Mesirus
Summoned? no, he called to them, and they accepted his calls. They are not bound to him, but they share his hatred of the night elves

He was standing on a mountain, there was like 15 meters between itself and the clouds 😬

no it wouldn't, don't bring pyshics into a game with magic, just don't

Arthas (Deathknight) is an near equal to Illidan, New Lich would defeat Illidan with utter ease. Although it has been argued FrostMourne is way more powerful than Illidans Blades

Nothing, no dungeon or whatever in WoW is canon. Simply because every fraction leadrer has been killed, Kel'thuzard has been killed... the list goes on and on. Thus powers etc in WoW are infact none canon. Lana tells me they are then they are, but for now i am to assume they are not

summoned is also called....for example "summon the servants", "summon the buttler" in real world, you dont cast a spell and the buttler is under your will in real life do you 🙄

and since when do you have the right to call off physics, everything has physics until there is pin-point proof there is a way Azeroth has a diffrent gravity or properties than Earth to allow it to survive this assault

and what makes you think hes standing on a mountain, the clouds are clearly not directly above him, their miles up and hes standing on a battlefield of defeated foes which he has seemingly single handadly destroyed, why would a more or less flat battlefield be on a mountain?

and ofcourse you can have your own opinion of what is, is not canon and what is allowed as canon in this forum is up to lana ofcourse......but in my opinion, if Blizzard create something to do with the same story line, such as powers, abilites, events, then it has to be canon...ofcourse killing Kelthuzard is not (although he doesnt die, do you know anything about World of warcraft?) but his powers are certified as real...but you can assume what you want

as it still stands Sephiroth has no grounds or proof behind him, your only argument so far is that hes from FF and everything from FF seems to be far faster and stronger than Warcraft so sephiroth wins.....sorry but Bull**** to that m8, no proof for any of this = no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof

Originally posted by Burning thought
Illidan can use mana burn which is one of his attacks, Illidan swallows Sephiroths power away into himself with this attack so he wont be able to cast anything, and i dont think ANY of Sephiroths attacks are instant wheras Illidans Mana burn is instant, can be cast from range and doesnt need to hit, it instantly targets

but as said, heartless Angel cannot simply be considered an instant kill just because its able to kill the party that fights sephiroth or a character, and with the magic steal, Illidan will make Sephiroths magic attacks usless and so he will have to fight Illidan hand to hand....which will be difficult, Illidan is fast, has the strength of both Demon and Magic enchanted elf combined with the blades of Azzinoth

Also, I don't see how mana burn would work because of Wall like I mentioned earlier. It's a barrier so any attack wouldn't do anything unless you have a spell such as debarrier which could take it down.

You also forgot stone, which would petrify Illidian unless he has some way to shield against it. Pale Horse like I said before inflicts every status ailment known in the Final Fantasy 7 universe. That means Illidian would be Poisoned, Confused, Silenced, and deformed. Doom like I said is Sin Heartless Angel except it's a countdown to how much time Illidian has before he dies.

If you don't believe me, go check the game guide on the other page and it'll tell you all I've said was correct.

Oh and see the link in my sig because it seems you underestimate Sephiroth's speed.

Alright in other words, Illidian doesn't win this so easily as you make it seem. Sephiroth is stronger than you think and he would be a good match for Illidian. Mana Burn like you said drains magic, and Sin Heartless Angel drains health. Both Illidian and Sephiroth are fast and powerful as well. Sephiroth has many other attacks which may or may not work depening on what might happen in the fight. Illidian's attacks would not turn out successful all the time. Some characters have immunities to certain things and have things to protect them. To be honest, I think Sephiroth would be a match for Illidian.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Alright in other words, Illidian doesn't win this so easily as you make it seem. Sephiroth is stronger than you think and he would be a good match for Illidian. Mana Burn like you said drains magic, and Sin Heartless Angel drains health. Both Illidian and Sephiroth are fast and powerful as well. Sephiroth has many other attacks which may or may not work depening on what might happen in the fight. Illidian's attacks would not turn out successful all the time. Some characters have immunities to certain things and have things to protect them. To be honest, I think Sephiroth would be a match for Illidian.

yes i watched that video, but Sephiroth is not faster, and yes i belive your right, i think sephiroth would be a good match, Illidans magic burning ability is not a projectile or something that can be defended agasnt, its simply a wave of his hand and it glows blue and suddenly you magic power is gone and it takes a tenth of a second to cast according to Mesirus which is nothing, a wave of the hand and Sephiroths magic is gone

HOWEVER Illidan from the various videos cannot possibly hit sephiroth once he is sword slashing so....Illidan can either take to the skies like a coward and shoot his spells while Sephiroth would be seemingly unable to fly now considering his magic is stolen and he has only a single wing so physically he wouldnt be able to fly properly without magic aid, and so Sephiroth would simply have to keep dodging, OR Illidan would fight hand to hand and it would be a stalemate but i think Cloud is right, this is an even match and could go both ways depending on what resistances of both have

link to said videos please?? 🙂

Originally posted by Burning thought
summoned is also called....for example "summon the servants", "summon the buttler" in real world, you dont cast a spell and the buttler is under your will in real life do you 🙄

and since when do you have the right to call off physics, everything has physics until there is pin-point proof there is a way Azeroth has a diffrent gravity or properties than Earth to allow it to survive this assault

and what makes you think hes standing on a mountain, the clouds are clearly not directly above him, their miles up and hes standing on a battlefield of defeated foes which he has seemingly single handadly destroyed, why would a more or less flat battlefield be on a mountain?

and ofcourse you can have your own opinion of what is, is not canon and what is allowed as canon in this forum is up to lana ofcourse......but in my opinion, if Blizzard create something to do with the same story line, such as powers, abilites, events, then it has to be canon...ofcourse killing Kelthuzard is not (although he doesnt die, do you know anything about World of warcraft?) but his powers are certified as real...but you can assume what you want

as it still stands Sephiroth has no grounds or proof behind him, your only argument so far is that hes from FF and everything from FF seems to be far faster and stronger than Warcraft so sephiroth wins.....sorry but Bull**** to that m8, no proof for any of this = no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof

.....okay whatever, but it looked like you tried to make it sounds as thought he brought them into existance

Because the way of magic changes the physics of such things, so any point based on it, well build their house of the sand

It's clearly not miles above him either, as a guess i'd give them 30m, max. He singely handedly destroyed? i got the impression they are trails of the horde/alliance and is why he is so furious that they "dare". Illidan was always more tactful that that anyway

Basing his power on something not even released..... come on

The proof? AC, FF7 even Kh stands as evidence as to the strength, skll and fighting style of the villian in question, what more proof can you ask for?! (don't say it's none canon, its a point as to what you could expect in the fight)

no debate until proven Illidan wins, ive provided a lot of proof can't help but think you made up your mind before you even released the thread

Originally posted by MadMel
link to said videos please?? 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUQiS9y4psA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBUtvyCbFc

the above two are of sephiroth and the below at the end has a small part of illidan moving at speeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpz2WOjtBE

Oh ffs as if i missed that. Outland, the surface it totally uneven, so its not unlikely the battlefield was right below the clouds,

the video you posted just showed illidan can fly using his wings. nothing about speed or fighitng skills. and illidan cannot dodge lightning bolts.

I bet you seph can get up faster by jumping real high. maybe not as high without jumping off a building or his wings. showing no skill because of lack of hardware sounds lame imo. just look at Vergil/Dante in dmc3 and they showed a lot of skill with a 5 year old console. being a character that relies on raising an army and commanding as opposed to doing everything himself isn't an advantage either

Originally posted by lightness
the video you posted just showed illidan can fly using his wings. nothing about speed or fighitng skills. and illidan cannot dodge lightning bolts.

I bet you seph can get up faster by jumping real high. maybe not as high without jumping off a building or his wings. showing no skill because of lack of hardware sounds lame imo. just look at Vergil/Dante in dmc3 and they showed a lot of skill with a 5 year old console. being a character that relies on raising an army and commanding as opposed to doing everything himself isn't an advantage either

thats because its a DMC game and not an RTS warcraft game, Warcraft relied on a deep interwoven story and well made RTS gameplay instead of fast action and flashing graphics to dazzle those who played it

and i doubt it m8, lol his jump wouldnt hit the clouds, ive seen him jump, he can jump about 100 metres or so in the air, maybe less, maybe a tad bit more, and how do you know he cannot dodge lightning bolts, can sephiroth?

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats because its a DMC game and not an RTS warcraft game, Warcraft relied on a deep interwoven story and well made RTS gameplay instead of fast action and flashing graphics to dazzle those who played it

and i doubt it m8, lol his jump wouldnt hit the clouds, ive seen him jump, he can jump about 100 metres or so in the air, maybe less, maybe a tad bit more, and how do you know he cannot dodge lightning bolts, can sephiroth?

Yup, Warcraft has many levels, fun, addiction, creativeness, mysterty, and untold power it's why it rocks now, rocks then and will ALWAYS rock ✅

Well Sephirht can fly, so jumping isn't really in the question. I find that we Don't know enough about the air to air ratio's of Sephiroth and Illidan, so for me thats too tricky to call.

Sephiroth Has his speels such as wall, or reflect.

Illidan, well i thought the skull of Gul'dan Made his have resistant skin?
Is it out the question he gets one of them magic immune necklasses?

Originally posted by Mesirus
Yup, Warcraft has many levels, fun, addiction, creativeness, mysterty, and untold power it's why it rocks now, rocks then and will ALWAYS rock ✅

Well Sephirht can fly, so jumping isn't really in the question. I find that we Don't know enough about the air to air ratio's of Sephiroth and Illidan, so for me thats too tricky to call.

Sephiroth Has his speels such as wall, or reflect.

Illidan, well i thought the skull of Gul'dan Made his have resistant skin?
Is it out the question he gets one of them magic immune necklasses?

😆 magic immune necklace would pwn, he probably is near magic immune since he loves magic so much and drinks its energy, i think has a lot of resistances but they are not told of in the game

well i got one for him one one of the levels, can't be sure which one. Comes to mind if a mountain giant has resistant skin, surely Illidans magically imbued flesh is also, which would block out some nasties.

I stand by my opinion in combat Sephiorth > Illidan

But it's got to be admitted Illidan has access to lots of thing which could change that. Slap on some items (Orb of Darkness for example) and Sephiroth i believe would be outmatched