superweapon battle!

Originally posted by Tangible God
The Death Star's laser's range is far too great. The DS wouldn't have to be anywhere near the Star Forge's shield. Which by the way would be on Rakata Prime, and since this battle is NOT around that planet...

And the STar Forge may be able to produce ships at a fast rate, but not so fast as to keep a capital ship coming 10 times a minute. As well, even with all these ships, who's going to pilot them?

And Death Star II also needs to stay close to the planet from which it's "Force Shield" protects it, otherwise Death Star will be destroyed from a massive invasion fleet of Star Forge.

And since this battle is not around any planet then both Death Star and Star Forge are vulnerable.

This death star is completed. And the galaxy gun looks very inappropriate.....

The Star Forge is good and all, but the Imperial superweapons are far more potent in terms of firepower. If the Star Forge is within range, it won't matter how many starfighters the thing can churn out - it will be rather easily obliterated.

Especially when you think about it: Imperial technology is superior to that of the Star Forge itself. The Death Star has many turrets and defense weaponry protecting it as well that would manhandle a lot of Star Forge fighters.

Originally posted by Gideon
The Star Forge is good and all, but the Imperial superweapons are far more potent in terms of firepower. If the Star Forge is within range, it won't matter how many starfighters the thing can churn out - it will be rather easily obliterated.

Especially when you think about it: Imperial technology is superior to that of the Star Forge itself. The Death Star has many turrets and defense weaponry protecting it as well that would manhandle a lot of Star Forge fighters.

Star Forge was also protected by many Laser Canons but in the end they gave it no edge.

And large number of ships can easily destroy Death Star. Especially small ships are fast enough to dodge any fire.

And Star Forge's technology is hell of a lot different from Death Star.

Death Star is entirely a machine.

Star Forge is a living weapon of Dark Side. It is much more interesting weapon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Star Forge produces ships at a very fast rate. You would have noticed in KOTOR that hundreds upon hundreds of space crafts of different sizes were churning out from Star Forge in a small amount of time.

And Death Star II also needs to stay close to the planet from which it's "Force Shield" protects it, otherwise Death Star will be destroyed from a massive invasion fleet of Star Forge.

And since this battle is not around any planet then both Death Star and Star Forge are vulnerable.

You missed my second point. Even if the Star Forge is spitting all those vessels, who's gonna man them? You don't honestly think there's living quarters on that space station for the hundreds of thousands of soldiers and pilots you'd need? Even if there were, how are they all gonna man their vessels in the 6 seconds they'd have before the Death Star fires?

And did you see how close the Ebon Hawk was to the SF beofre that disruptor field took effect. The DS doesn't need to be anywhere near that to fire the one shot it needs.

Factor in 4000 years advancements in technology, plus the Imperials own advancements, and the countless fighters the Death Star holds, the Star Forge is obliterated in seconds.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Those ships you see churning out in the decks level are all light frigates and snub fighters, I didn't see any 600 meter capital ships in those lots.

You missed my second point. Even if the Star Forge is spitting all those vessels, who's gonna man them? You don't honestly think there's living quarters on that space station for the hundreds of thousands of soldiers and pilots you'd need? Even if there were, how are they all gonna man their vessels in the 6 seconds they'd have before the Death Star fires?

And did you see how close the Ebon Hawk was to the SF beofre that disruptor field took effect. The DS doesn't need to be anywhere near that to fire the one shot it needs.

Factor in 4000 years advancements in technology, plus the Imperials own advancements, and the countless fighters the Death Star holds, the Star Forge is obliterated in seconds.

Death Star Fighters are not unlimited. Star Forge's fighters are unlimited and of-course, their were millions and millions of Sith Troops in the entire Sith Fleet that was protecting Star Forge.

And Ebon Hawk is a very small ship and it's detection is difficult.

And Death Star was also very close to the planet that it destroyed. It will surely be distracted by large number of Fighters ready to pounce on it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you forgot that we are talking about a battle in which all Super-Weapons are battle-ready with additional support of their fighters.

Death Star Fighters are not unlimited. Star Forge's fighters are unlimited and of-course, their were millions and millions of Sith Troops in the entire Sith Fleet that was protecting Star Forge.

And Ebon Hawk is a very small ship and it's detection is difficult.

And Death Star was also very close to the planet that it destroyed. It will surely be distracted by large number of Fighters ready to pounce on it.

In conjuction with that point, and to remind you to stop ignoring this one: Where does the Star Forge get the manpower for all these snubfighters and frigates, and where is it getting the time to crew them?

And wtf? Detection by the SF had nothing to do with the Ebon Hawk crashing. More like, it had everything to do with the ancient disruptor field from the temple on the planet below taking about minute to scramble the EH's computer.

And are you insinuating that the SF was as big as Alderaan? Because last time I checked, the 150 km long FIRST Death Star was a fair way away from the planet when it took IT out.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Um, I may be mistaken, but where in the rules of this thread's battle does it state that the Star Forge has a fleet at it's command?

Originally posted by Tangible God
In conjuction with that point, and to remind you to stop ignoring this one: Where does the Star Forge get the manpower for all these snubfighters and frigates, and where is it getting the time to crew them?

Of-course, millions and millions of people were already in the Star Forge and manning those fighters. Because those Fighters were not flying by themselves in the Star Forge.

Common Sense! huh!

Originally posted by Tangible God
And wtf? Detection by the SF had nothing to do with the Ebon Hawk crashing. More like, it had everything to do with the ancient disruptor field from the temple on the planet below taking about minute to scramble the EH's computer.

Originally posted by Tangible God
And are you insinuating that the SF was as big as Alderaan? Because last time I checked, the 150 km long FIRST Death Star was a fair way away from the planet when it took IT out. [/B]

Death Star was indeed close but I believe that it's Laser has very long range. Still their is always a possibility for distracting Death Star by large number of Ships and Fighters.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is automatically assumed because Star Forge itself is not a weapon to be used in battle.

[/B][/QUOTE]Ok! let me ask a question? where did all the man-power for protection of Death Star came from?
Of-course, millions and millions of people were already in the Star Forge and manning those fighters. Because those Fighters were not flying by themselves in the Star Forge.

Common Sense! huh![/B][/QUOTE] The Death Star already has a limited (albeit huge) number of fighters and capital ships stored on board, with their crews awaiting them. The Star Forge would already house it's own permannet compliment, but when it created new fighters, it would rely on recruits taken from occupied planets. The Star Forge creates ships, not men.

[/B][/QUOTE]That shield was built to protect Star Forge from potential threats. We had to go to Rakatan Temple to disable that Shield or otherwise, that entire Republic Fleet woud be destroyed even before the battle would begin.[/B][/QUOTE]We already know the shield's purpose. But that shield took at least a minute to come into effect on a tiny ship with technology 4000 years behind the Empire. The Death Star need not be anywhere as near as the Ebon Hawk was to fire it's superlaser in under 10 seconds.

[/B][/QUOTE]Size is irrelevant.

Death Star was indeed close but I believe that it's Laser has very long range. Still their is always a possibility for distracting Death Star by large number of Ships and Fighters. [/B][/QUOTE] Are you telling me that Tarkin would try to take out snub fighters with a f*cking superlaser?

The star forge can create pilot droids for the ships.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
The star forge can create pilot droids for the ships.

So I take it you agree with everything else I said then? Good.

And sure, pilot droids could fly them, not as well as living pilots, but they'd fly nonetheless. Doesn't matter though, with the Star Forge destroyed in about 10 seconds either those droid ships will shut down ala TPM, or they'll just attack the Death Star and its tens of thousands of fighters and many more turbolasers emplacements.

what is the Star Forge is not the first target?

Need I remind everyone that the Rebellion required a technical readout of the Death Star before they identified a weakness to it? The Star Forge does not have that. Sorry. A group of starfighters aren't going to do jack shit to it.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
what is the Star Forge is not the first target?

Revan? Can't he tell them where to go or something? Isn't he able to.... wait this is the second one, completed. It can't be destroyed like the first....

Obviously, both the first and second Death Star could be destroyed. But the first is fully operational and completed, and its enemies would have to have a technical readout of the station to exploit any weaknesses. I don't know if the second one is fully functional insofar as "movement", but it has that energy shield on Endor (don't know if it is included in this fight), which means that no laserfire is going to be damaging it.

Revan's a tactical genius, but so was Moff Tarkin, and the Death Star's technology and weaponry is above and beyond that of the Star Forge's. Likewise, the Star Forge lacks the power to withstand the intensity of a blast that the Death Star can emit. To destroy the Death Star, you need a technical readout. Revan doesn't have that and I don't think he's good enough to logically deduce that that one special exhaust port would be the end of the station.

Avis made the Second Death Star complete, didn't you?

If it is, then would that include a built in shield?

it is complete and OF COURSE it has a built in shield

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
it is complete and OF COURSE it has a built in shield

Then it wins.