Originally posted by FeceMan
Work on the grammar.You could also try being less retarded. I find that the best way to get a point across is not to be stupidly confrontational.
Thanks for the Advice, but I would always ask someone to practice what they preach before they go telling people what they should or shouldn't do.
Yes, I admit, this letter was written on the spot, and more-so out of boredom than anything.
What upset me, however, is how the entire New Life Church just abandoned Ted Haggard...everything about him is written off, as if he never existed...check out the site yourself.
Don't get me wrong guys, i don't like the muddafukka either, but he was one of the many people who brought the Evangelicals such political power, and who strengthened the voice of this church, and then because he is Gay, he is cast down, and treated as if he was never a part of the Church to begin with.
I thnk that says a LOT about the New Life Church...
Even if I wrote a more sincere letter to them, they'd probably treat it the SAME....delete
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Worshippers has 2 ps', and not I was not trying to be witty. This was something I did last minute when stumbling upon the Evangelical Homepage, trying to do research on Ted Haggard and a couple of other people.Yes, i AM an a$$hole...i never denied that. But at least I admit it , and i dont pretend im your moral superior in any way. And trust me....I haven't Hurt anywhere as many people as some of these Evangelical leaders have
Does admitting it make it better? You would still be an *******
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanks for the Advice, but I would always ask someone to practice what they preach before they go telling people what they should or shouldn't do.
I, of course, include an "exception" clause stating that, if a person should approach me in a hostile manner, I am perfectly entitled to respond in a similar manner, especially when I have long suffered his hostility in the past.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I, of course, include an "exception" clause stating that, if a person should approach me in a hostile manner, I am perfectly entitled to respond in a similar manner, especially when I have long suffered his hostility in the past.
Though, may I point out that it is incessantly returned.
I assure you Alliance, Feceman holds a grudge against me, while I pretty much care less.
I already apologized to Feceman for all the times I insulted his Faith, and he responded with more sarcasm, insults, etc.
He's a baby who can't take criticism or people who poke fun at his religion, which is very much subject to criticism, it being a religion which has a very violent history and all.
When he learns to grow up, then maybe he could be more diplomatic when someone who doesn't share his opinion on Christ speaks thier mind, no matter how vulgar.
Colorado Springs, Colorado—The church of disgraced pastor Ted Haggard is encouraging its members to blow the whistle on others in the mega church who have committed 'sexual indiscretions' or other misdeeds.And it didn't take long for a name to surface.
Christopher Beard, who headed a ministry the New Life Church that trained young adults in leadership skills, has stepped down after admitting to an incident of sexual misconduct several years ago and a series of decisions displaying poor judgment.
Church elders declined to disclose what the sexual misconduct involved, except to say it did not involve minors.
The church is still attempting to regroup after the scandal that engulfed Haggard.
An outspoken critic of homosexuality he was outed by former hustler Mike Jones in the days leading up to November's Colorado vote on amending the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage.
Haggard was subsequently fired by the church and forced to resign as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, a position which had given him unbridled access to the White House.
Fearing another potential scandal that could destroy the 14,000 member church elders asked parishioners for information about the "spiritual character" of other church staff and leaders.
Members are urged to fill out a form on the church's Web site that goes to a panel of four pastors from other churches that have agreed to help New Life weed out problem people.
Associate pastor Rob Brendle denies it is a witch hunt but says "we want to give people who feel they have relevant information access to people in authority."
Meanwhile, as Haggard undergoes church arranged 'counseling' by a group of pastors who have been associated with so-called ex-gay groups the man who outed him is busy writing a tell-all book.
Jones has signed a deal with Seven Stories Press. It is to be released in June.
Thank You Adam Poe for proving my point....
The New Life Church now treats Ted Haggard like a black sheep...some mistake of a person, someone who couldn't live up to this absurd ideal of perfection that the Evangelical Elite promote.
Now, as for me...I can't stand Ted Haggard. I never could. He's a hypocritical son of a b*tch and I personally feel he deserves whatever humiliation is bestowed upon him...
Keep in mind, however, that I, nor any other Gay/Bisexual person, owe him any kind of respect OR forgiveness. He did nothing for me, or anyone like myself, except promote the stigma that aims to oppress us.
The New Life Church, however, as well as the entire Evangelical community owe him a lot.... forgiveness at the very least.
He promoted the Evangelical community all his life, and he has served as one of thier most powerful and influential speakers, helping that Church gain more followers....
But because of his actions, he is removed from all his prior glory, and anything he has ever done for that Church now means diddly squat.....
What would Jesus do ? 😬
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thank You Adam Poe for proving my point....The New Life Church now treats Ted Haggard like a black sheep...some mistake of a person, someone who couldn't live up to this absurd ideal of perfection that the Evangelical Elite promote.
Now, as for me...I can't stand Ted Haggard. I never could. He's a hypocritical son of a b*tch and I personally feel he deserves whatever humiliation is bestowed upon him...
Keep in mind, however, that I, nor any other Gay/Bisexual person, owe him any kind of respect OR forgiveness. He did nothing for me, or anyone like myself, except promote the stigma that aims to oppress us.
The New Life Church, however, as well as the entire Evangelical community owe him a lot.... forgiveness at the very least.
He promoted the Evangelical community all his life, and he has served as one of thier most powerful and influential speakers, helping that Church gain more followers....
But because of his actions, he is removed from all his prior glory, and anything he has ever done for that Church now means diddly squat.....
What would Jesus do ? 😬
Meanwhile, as Haggard undergoes church arranged 'counseling' by a group of pastors who have been associated with so-called ex-gay groups.They are trying to help him. Removing him from leadership is the right thing to do though, but they have not abandoned and disowned him. I think they are doing what Jesus would do.
Originally posted by Nellinator
They have forgiven him and have not thrown him out.
They discredit him....how do you know they forgive him ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
They are trying to help him. Removing him from leadership is the right thing to do though, but they have not abandoned and disowned him. I think they are doing what Jesus would do.
Help him ? How ?
And yes, removing him from Leadership is the right thing to do....he's a scumbag, and power should not be in his hands.
I think the mistake Evangelicals, and other Christians like yourself are making are labelling him as mislead because he is Gay....what about the fact that he was always hateful ?
You guys were always fine with him when he was a hateful bigot.....his discrimination and hateful propaganda was always okay in the Evangelical standards.....
Now that you know he's Gay, all of a sudden he's this bad person ?
WOW......
"Dag nabit....I can tolerate Hate...but God forbid he be Gay....yee hawww"
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I assure you Alliance, Feceman holds a grudge against me, while I pretty much care less.
I hold a grudge against you.
Against someone I've never met. Who is on an Internet messageboard.
About movies.
He's a baby who can't take criticism or people who poke fun at his religion, which is very much subject to criticism, it being a religion which has a very violent history and all.
When he learns to grow up, then maybe he could be more diplomatic when someone who doesn't share his opinion on Christ speaks thier mind, no matter how vulgar. [/B]
Originally posted by FeceMan
Yes.I hold a grudge against you.
Yes...and E-Grudge ! 😱
Originally posted by FeceMan
I am certain that, one day, you will learn the difference between "criticism" and "being a douchebag."
DOUUUCHHEEE... MmmMMMMmmMM...DOUCHEEEE.... droolio
Originally posted by FeceMan
You are criticizing me of not growing up, of not being diplomatic?
✅ yuh huh yuh huh yuh huh !
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
They discredit him....how do you know they forgive him ?Help him ? How ?
And yes, removing him from Leadership is the right thing to do....he's a scumbag, and power should not be in his hands.
I think the mistake Evangelicals, and other Christians like yourself are making are labelling him as mislead because he is Gay....what about the fact that he was always hateful ?You guys were always fine with him when he was a hateful bigot.....his discrimination and hateful propaganda was always okay in the Evangelical standards.....
Now that you know he's Gay, all of a sudden he's this bad person ?
You are make the mistake of assuming what my position is, so I must tell you:
Ted Haggard is not misled because he is performed homosexual acts. In fact, I do not believe he was misled at all. I think he is human and makes mistakes like all of us. More alarming to me than homosexuality is the fact that he defiled himself with a prostitute, that he was buying and using drugs, and that he was being a hypocrite. Homosexuality aside, he needed to be removed from a position of authority within the church. I do not believe that he is a bad person beyond forgiveness and grace, however, I do believe that he is need of it for many things. I believe that it is best that his sins was exposed because now he will be forced to deal with it and perhaps his issues will be resolved.
That said, I am not familiar with anything that Ted Haggard has ever said because I am not affiliated with any organization that is involved in and I am American so I am not exposed to many of the 'evangelists' like Pat Robertson you bring into discussion.