Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

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Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

As some of you might or might not know, i live in belgium. Great beer, chocolats and, not to forget, comics. The Belgian comics industry was next to the Americans the biggest and best European comic industry during the 50'-60'. Think of the countless names such as Hergé (Tintin) and Franquin (inventor of marsupilami - that was a good character untill disney transformed it into a terrifyingly bad cartoon show - and many others). I can go on naming, but that would not be the point of this topic, now would it. I'll discuss the Dutch Spiderman comics. They're not made by any Dutch comic artist, no, they're merely translated. But how they're translated, is what i'm going to tell you.

First of all, the series in Belgium and Netherlands are not as lineair as the series in America. There are several stories where you'll have to buy a different serie to see how it goes (wolverine stories and spiderman stories a.e.). And ofcourse, a big remark, the quality of the comics published here are from a far better quality than in america. America's buy-'n-throw-away comics (although that is getting better now) are mostly very easily damaged. The cover of the comics here are a lot thicker and better. Also, i've bought some american comics and i must say "whats up with all those commercials ?!". In our comics we almost don't have any commercials published into it. But then again, the avarage cost of a comic lies here between 4 and 5 euros, which makes about 6 to 8 dollars. It's a lot more expansive, but, here we get about 3 comics bundled into one. European comic readers are actually quite spoiled, always having hardcover comics of at least 32 pages and with no commercial. Due to this bundling-thing, the Dutch series are not numbered correctly and are way behind the american series.

Some scans, with some explanation :


This is the first serie ( not being published no more since all spidey comics melted into one serie 'Spiderman' due to lack of interest) i'm going to discuss. Peter Parker, De Spektakulaire Spiderman is known in america as Peter Parker, the spectacular Spiderman. This serie is first published in 1981. As you can read from the cover, it stands in giant letters, 100. Yes, this was number 100 in the america, but here, number 25. Pretty lame, isn't it ?
Another example :

[ Published in America as peter the spectacular spiderman nrs 75 and 76 ]

The famous number where the owl battles doc ock to death and felicia gets wounded. Here it is number 7, and if you can count a bit you'll ask yourself, what happened to the numbers before 60 in the serie of peter parker, the spectacular spiderman ? I have no idea.

[ Published in America as The Amazing Spiderman nr 281 ]

This serie, 'De Spektakulaire Spiderman', is better known in America as The Amazing Spiderman. Here again, number 86, and some reasonable counting brings you yet again to the conclusion that there are a lot of comics unpublished.

[ Published in America as Spider-man nrs. 1,2,3 ]

Aah, that great comic by McFarlane. The number 1 hype wasn't around here and people actually hated McFarlane, because they thought his stories are told too slowly and his drawingstyle could of been much better. The spiderman special series mainly published some random stories that didn't fit in any other serie. They also publish Untold Tales (excellent) in the spiderman special series, which shortly after publishing all of the untold tales, vanquished.

[ Published in America as the amazing spiderman 512 and Marvel Knights Spiderman 6 ]

The serie that ended all others; again this serie bundles other stories in a luxureous format. Enjoyable, but i.m.o. i think that the focus has gone too much to the coloring effects, producing some weak drawings.

There is also another short-lived serie, 'Web Van Spiderman' or Web Of Spiderman, but it was cancelled after a few years of weak sales.

Thank you for your attention 🙄

Ok.

🙂

Re: Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
America's buy-'n-throw-away comics

considering how much they cost, I sure as hell don't.

Yeah the comics here in the UK are better value for money compared to their American counterparts as well ✅

Re: Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
As some of you might or might not know, i live in belgium. Great beer, chocolats and, not to forget, comics. The Belgian comics industry was next to the Americans the biggest and best European comic industry during the 50'-60'. Think of the countless names such as Hergé (Tintin) and Franquin (inventor of marsupilami - that was a good character untill disney transformed it into a terrifyingly bad cartoon show - and many others). I can go on naming, but that would not be the point of this topic, now would it. I'll discuss the Dutch Spiderman comics. They're not made by any Dutch comic artist, no, they're merely translated. But how they're translated, is what i'm going to tell you.

First of all, the series in Belgium and Netherlands are not as lineair as the series in America. There are several stories where you'll have to buy a different serie to see how it goes (wolverine stories and spiderman stories a.e.). And ofcourse, a big remark, the quality of the comics published here are from a far better quality than in america. America's buy-'n-throw-away comics (although that is getting better now) are mostly very easily damaged. The cover of the comics here are a lot thicker and better. Also, i've bought some american comics and i must say "whats up with all those commercials ?!". In our comics we almost dont have any commercials published into it.


So you are saying that European comics are better than American comics ?!?

Well, you're right 😎

Re: Re: Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

So you are saying that European comics are better than American comics ?!?

Well, you're right 😎 [/B]

the only European comic I've heard about is The Killer.

http://www.submarinechannel.com/content/killer/index.html

It's really good. 🙂

In aus i think we get shipped the comics theyfind in americans trashcans.Its not fair.donatello

Originally posted by Martian_mind
In aus i think we get shipped the comics theyfind in americans trashcans.Its not fair.donatello

You can get Decent quality comics in Sydney.... I found 2 or 3 decent shops that are just off of George Street

Re: Re: Re: Comics in Belgium and The Netherlands

Originally posted by Black Adam
the only European comic I've heard about is The Killer.

http://www.submarinechannel.com/content/killer/index.html

It's really good. 🙂


Yes, I know The Killer, I read every story of it (at least four or five 🙄 )

But indeed, it's a good comic.

One of the best European comics these days, is the fantastic Blacksad.

Another Blacksad picture

Well European scomics are a bit more ... artistic perhaps. European comic artist dare to try out a totally new and maby weird style while most of the superherocomics are drawn in the same lines.

But i was talking about the comic -strips like Gaston Lagaffe, Tintin, Buck Danny, Thorgal, XII, Lady S, Billy, Bob and Bobette, ...
(these comics mentioned above are all belgian comics)

Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
Well European scomics are a bit more ... artistic perhaps. European comic artist dare to try out a totally new and maby weird style while most of the superherocomics are drawn in the same lines.

But i was talking about the comic -strips like Gaston Lagaffe, Tintin, Buck Danny, Thorgal, XII, Lady S, Billy, Bob and Bobette, ...
(these comics mentioned above are all belgian comics)


Yes I know all of them, and I even like most of them.

Except Buck Danny. Not my thing.

(Thorgal is also partially Polish).

The Netherlands actually exist? Holy hell!

Can you fly? Is that little pixie whore flying around being a tease? Man, she was a total whore.

Originally posted by long pig
The Netherlands actually exist? Holy hell!

Can you fly? Is that little pixie whore flying around being a tease? Man, she was a total whore.

😆 😆 😆 😆

Wait,There are stores in Aus!!!!holy sh*t i must alert the masses immediatley."runs to top of shack with megaphone and screams out,we have stores"

Originally posted by long pig
The Netherlands actually exist? Holy hell!

Can you fly? Is that little pixie whore flying around being a tease? Man, she was a total whore.

I live in Belgium.

Anyhow, ...

@ Kid Kurdy :
Well yes indeed Thorgal is half polish, because of Rosinski, the artist. Still without Van Hamme as writer the series wouldn't be it. Rosinski even fled in the 80' due to the berlin wall being built, so he could still make drawings for Van Hamme. Rosinski then later neutralized his status to Belgian, so technically spoken he is Belgian.

I think almost everybody knows Van Hamme, his comic XII is reasonably popular since it got a videogame, Largo Winch (forgot to mention that he also invented Largo Winch) has movies, series, merchandise .. you name it.

Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
I live in Belgium.

Anyhow, ...

😆 I don't know why but I found this reply hilarious ✅

I smell a bit of... snobism ? Is that it ? Not much, but still, it's there.

Don't let it get to you Scarlet Spidey. And you're right about Thorgal.

Snobism ? I just don't like people comparing me to Hollanders !
Tragedy is when i'm called a Hollander, comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.

Anyhow, Thorgal, whether it is partially polish or not (not polish in my opinion), it's a great comic. Too bad Thorgal has to die, he's one of the first leadcharacters of a comicbook who dies after so many years. * sniff * I'll surely miss him. But look on the bright side, the first Thorgal comics still were the best and the most original, while the newest weren't half as good as the oldest ones. And Rosinski is experimenting too much with his style (he makes a painting for every single ehm boxy thingy you know what i mean).

Anyhow, if anyone would like some scans of Belgian strips (not all ofcourse but some pages ) you can request it here. My scanner awaits your demand.

Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
Too bad Thorgal has to die, he's one of the first leadcharacters of a comicbook who dies after so many years. * sniff * I'll surely miss him.

Thorgal doesn't die. He still lives you know.