I need your guys' opinion!!!

Started by BackFire4 pages

I didn't say it was dead, just basically that the current numbers that show both systems being somewhat close to one another in sales aren't as accurate as they seem, because PSP sales have slowed down drastically over the last year, where as DS sales are skyrocketed. At this point next year, unless there is a drastic change, the DS will have a very commanding lead over the PSP. It's the same deal with software, the DS has a bunch of top selling games if you look at the top sellers for each week/month. PSP has far fewer.

Wasn't really trying to put the PSP down or anything, I know it's a fine system with some good games, I may get one someday when the price drops, but the DS is in a much much better position.

lol so why does reports say the Psp sales boosted alot, and it outsold teh Ds in NOv in the usa anyway. For that month anyway lol

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Originally posted by BackFire
I didn't say it was dead, just basically that the current numbers that show both systems being somewhat close to one another in sales aren't as accurate as they seem, because PSP sales have slowed down drastically over the last year, where as DS sales are skyrocketed. At this point next year, unless there is a drastic change, the DS will have a very commanding lead over the PSP. It's the same deal with software, the DS has a bunch of top selling games if you look at the top sellers for each week/month. PSP has far fewer.

Wasn't really trying to put the PSP down or anything, I know it's a fine system with some good games, I may get one someday when the price drops, but the DS is in a much much better position.

But PSP sales havent slowed down at all, here is the recent Japanese sale charts:

- DS Lite: 319,708 ^ 10,078 (3.25%)
- Wii: 108,237 ^ 22,798 (26.68%)
- PS3: 70,942 ^ 20,771 (41.40%)
- PSP: 48,962 ^ 20,032 (69.24%)
- PS2: 37,730 ^ 7,270 (23.87%)
- Xbox 360: 17,168 v 18,175 (51.42%)
- GBA SP: 1,867 v 29 (1.53%)
- Game Boy Micro: 1,491 v 64 (4.12%)
- Gamecube: 1,152 ^ 583 (102.46%)
- DS Phat: 158 v 9 (5.39%)
- GBA: 42 ^ 25 (147.06%)
- Xbox: 3 v 3 (50.00%)

Source

If anything, PSP is still dominating over other various competition there, sitting comfortably in fourth place just under the PS3, like I said, if your saying that it ihas slowed down, that means the othe competition behind it must have stopped completly, its even doing better then the still dominating PS2, and yeah DS is infront, but its no suprize, Japanese like colourful games, RPG games, and games like Mario, Nintendogs and Brainage, if the PSP had a few unique games to make use of its own features with the same colourful gfx, then it too will succeed, what the PSP is missing is RPGs, the DS has lots, even Pokemon is an eample of a DS successful RPG, add a few to the PSP and it will be irrisistable, just you watch when FF comes out for PSP, the sales will shoot up just the same way they did for X360 and Blue Dragon. This is why PS2 destryed the likes of Xbox and Gamecube, its RPGs and number of great Japanes titles, right now, there are few developers making unique games for PSP, instead they are being lazy and porting games because of the PSPs power, the DS forces game creators to use new ideas because the DS cannot handle these gfx, plus it has touch screen, therefore game creators have to be original, a game like Tekken or GTA cannot be ported to DS as it is not ideal, this forces devs to stop being lazy and make unique games for it, this is what Sony needs to do, make it more difficult for Devs to port, plus make its own games, the graphics should be a bonus, if Nintendogs could look that fab on DS, they could look next to real on PSP, so whats stopping devs from making fun, unique games like Locoroco, Nintendogs or Mario, nothing really, except, well, their laziness.

Rachet and Clank should be another reason to pick up a PSP, it will be stunning on PSP, plus R&C have always been fun. PSP has potential, high potential and it CAN take Nintendo's no 1 spot or even stand right next to it, its just up to developers to make more use of it. Its by no means any fault of the PSP's, its the devs BLAME THE DEVS I SHOUT!! THOSE LAZY.......

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
lol so why does reports say the Psp sales boosted alot, and it outsold teh Ds in NOv in the usa anyway. For that month anyway lol
They did, this Xmas PSP has proven to either be more popular or everyone in Japan simply already has a DS so sales are slowing down, either way, the chart of Japanese sales I just put up prooves yours and my point, this Month (alone) PSP has overtaken DS, and PSP will have its chance to shine later on in time, right now Sony is doing a great job with the PSP no matter what anyone says (wish I could say the same for PS3), and PSP even though everyone thought it would be a complete flop before it released has done its job, it has penetrated the Handheld market successfully and made a name for itself, now just to take it over, if the PS2 could, so can the PSP.

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Originally posted by Pulse2
But PSP sales havent slowed down at all, here is the recent Japanese sale charts:

- DS Lite: 319,708 ^ 10,078 (3.25%)
- Wii: 108,237 ^ 22,798 (26.68%)
- PS3: 70,942 ^ 20,771 (41.40%)
- PSP: 48,962 ^ 20,032 (69.24%)
- PS2: 37,730 ^ 7,270 (23.87%)
- Xbox 360: 17,168 v 18,175 (51.42%)
- GBA SP: 1,867 v 29 (1.53%)
- Game Boy Micro: 1,491 v 64 (4.12%)
- Gamecube: 1,152 ^ 583 (102.46%)
- DS Phat: 158 v 9 (5.39%)
- GBA: 42 ^ 25 (147.06%)
- Xbox: 3 v 3 (50.00%)

Source

If anything, PSP is still dominating over other various competition there, sitting comfortably in fourth place just under the PS3, like I said, if your saying that it ihas slowed down, that means the othe competition behind it must have stopped completly, its even doing better then the still dominating PS2, and yeah DS is infront, but its no suprize, Japanese like colourful games, RPG games, and games like Mario, Nintendogs and Brainage, if the PSP had a few unique games to make use of its own features with the same colourful gfx, then it too will succeed, what the PSP is missing is RPGs, the DS has lots, even Pokemon is an eample of a DS successful RPG, add a few to the PSP and it will be irrisistable, just you watch when FF comes out for PSP, the sales will shoot up just the same way they did for X360 and Blue Dragon. This is why PS2 destryed the likes of Xbox and Gamecube, its RPGs and number of great Japanes titles, right now, there are few developers making unique games for PSP, instead they are being lazy and porting games because of the PSPs power, the DS forces game creators to use new ideas because the DS cannot handle these gfx, plus it has touch screen, therefore game creators have to be original, a game like Tekken or GTA cannot be ported to DS as it is not ideal, this forces devs to stop being lazy and make unique games for it, this is what Sony needs to do, make it more difficult for Devs to port, plus make its own games, the graphics should be a bonus, if Nintendogs could look that fab on DS, they could look next to real on PSP, so whats stopping devs from making fun, unique games like Locoroco, Nintendogs or Mario, nothing really, except, well, their laziness.

Rachet and Clank should be another reason to pick up a PSP, it will be stunning on PSP, plus R&C have always been fun. PSP has potential, high potential and it CAN take Nintendo's no 1 spot or even stand right next to it, its just up to developers to make more use of it. Its by no means any fault of the PSP's, its the devs BLAME THE DEVS I SHOUT!! THOSE LAZY.......

http://ds.ign.com/articles/750/750195p1.html

It's the same in America too, DS lites have been outselling the PSP's all year, since they came out.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
lol so why does reports say the Psp sales boosted alot, and it outsold teh Ds in NOv in the usa anyway. For that month anyway lol

I've seen no such reports, do they exist, are they real? Where are they?

I've seen reports stating that the DS has clearly outsold the PSP thus far, including the month of november.

Edit: I won't even bother lol Sales are much closer everywhere else, only Japan the Psp can't catch up.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Edit: I won't even bother lol Sales are much closer everywhere else, only Japan the Psp can't catch up.

Closer, but still far favoring the DS.

Look at the link I posted, clearly states that the DS is very much ahead in America as well, it's a similar case in Europe too.

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=45344

Look at the graph right there, even the GBA beat the PSP in America during November, and that's a nearly dead system. The PSP is simply not doing well enough to compete with the DS, and apparantly, even the GBA.

Originally posted by BackFire
Closer, but still far favoring the DS.

Look at the link I posted, clearly states that the DS is very much ahead in America as well, it's a similar case in Europe too.

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=45344

Look at the graph right there, even the GBA beat the PSP in America during November, and that's a nearly dead system. The PSP is simply not doing well enough to compete with the DS, and apparantly, even the GBA.

We Know the Ds is winning, who said the Psp was beating it. Come on Backfire, don't lose sleep 😆 😈
The Gba only been out 3 x longer with no competition..why wouldn't it lose to it?

Well, you and pulse said that you heard the PSP outsold the DS in November, which I objected to. I've still not heard anything supporting that theory.

And I don't think you understand the statistics I'm posting above, these are monthly sales, not lifetime sales. the GBA beating the PSP last month alone should be very alarming for Sony.

Trust me, I'll sleep very well tonight, my friend.

Originally posted by BackFire
Well, you and pulse said that you heard the PSP outsold the DS in November, which I objected to. I've still not heard anything supporting that theory.

Trust me, I'll sleep very well tonight, my friend.

1 month in 1 state? lol wasn't a big deal anyway. I think it was the Psp games that sold out the Ds games for a couple months. Ds hasn't really released a super game in a while so of course PSp games iwll win for a little bit. I think Super Mario is the only Ds game that made it on teh top 10 best selling handheld games for so and so months.

Originally posted by BackFire
Well, you and pulse said that you heard the PSP outsold the DS in November, which I objected to. I've still not heard anything supporting that theory.

And I don't think you understand the statistics I'm posting above, these are monthly sales, not lifetime sales. the GBA beating the PSP last month alone should be very alarming for Sony.

Trust me, I'll sleep very well tonight, my friend.

Did you even look at the stats I showed, thats the beginning of December stats, it clearly shows more sales on it 😕

But 1 month means nothing, we know DS is doing better, the last think we need is a Cockrel in the mornings waking us up to tell us that, why don't you tell us about how the PS2 outsold the Gamecube over and over as well, thats just as pointless to this convosation as knowing DS is outselling the PSP, even blind people can see its outselling, and they don't even need to see, we don't need to drown in the obvious. The PSP is doing well, end of story, maybe not as well as the DS, but then the DS only appeals to one market, the gaming market. What are non gamers supposed to do with it? Just chat?

Its like Ipod, why don't you drown us in statistics as to how the Ipod is also beating PSP and Zune for that matter. To be honest, 22million and still rising is excellent numbers for a new handheld such as the PSP, simply amazing. Who cares if it hasn't reached DS sales? Like I said, if it did, it would have made a right laughing stock out of Nintendo who has been in the handheld industry for years, considering there were no games for it yet, and Nintendo has several years worth of games for thier DS that they can continue on.

Ok, if 22million is the benchmark set by Sony with PSP, imagine what PSP2 will achieve with Sony's new successful experience of the handheld market. Hopefully Sony will add more difficult methods so porting is next to impossible, add a phone service, have its own chat service intigrated, have more games made uniquely for it, whos knows, but all I know is I will be one of the people to buy it 🙂

All the original PSP needs is some more exclusive games, more RPGs, more colourful games with heros people can relate to and a cheaper price point, and watch and witness the sales go up.

Yes, the stats you showed clearly shows the DS beating the PSP, which is why I was confused when you agreed with Rico about the PSP outselling the DS in the month of november, and hence me "drowning" (I love hyperbole) you in statistics that proved otherwise. You're defending the PSP as if I said it was a failure or a bad system, which I never said or insinuated, I know it's a success and a respectable system.

That last stat that shows the GBA beating it last month was posted just because I thought it was interesting, and it wasn't something I was aware of.

Anyways, you say the DS only appeals to one market, so what? That's a strength, because it's not trying to do a bunch of stupid shit like watch movies on a failing format (UMD) it allows the price to stay low, nothing wrong with a company just focusing on one thing and one thing alone, it allows them to make that one aspect of their system superb, while not having to worry about all the other secondary aspects.

You also ask why I don't speak about ps2/gamecube/ipod sales. Possibly because this thread is about the PSP and handheld gaming, not old console systems and a music player.

So again, to make it clear, I only objected to the idea that the PSP outsold the DS in November, which was an untruth, nothing more.

Anyways, to answer the original question.

The best games for the system seem to be:

MGS😛ortable Ops

Burnout

Tekken: Dark Ressurection

Yes, apparently these people cant handle that the DS is winning, and when they hear it, they say your bashing the system, even when all your stating is mere facts. Thats what they did to me, so I left cause it was annoying.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, the stats you showed clearly shows the DS beating the PSP, which is why I was confused when you agreed with Rico about the PSP outselling the DS in the month of november, and hence me "drowning" (I love hyperbole) you in statistics that proved otherwise. You're defending the PSP as if I said it was a failure or a bad system, which I never said or insinuated, I know it's a success and a respectable system.

That last stat that shows the GBA beating it last month was posted just because I thought it was interesting, and it wasn't something I was aware of.

Anyways, you say the DS only appeals to one market, so what? That's a strength, because it's not trying to do a bunch of stupid shit like watch movies on a failing format (UMD) it allows the price to stay low, nothing wrong with a company just focusing on one thing and one thing alone, it allows them to make that one aspect of their system superb, while not having to worry about all the other secondary aspects.

You also ask why I don't speak about ps2/gamecube/ipod sales. Possibly because this thread is about the PSP and handheld gaming, not old console systems and a music player.

So again, to make it clear, I only objected to the idea that the PSP outsold the DS in November, which was an untruth, nothing more.

Its whats behind the arrow you're looking at. To the right of the arrows I mean. I know full well the DS appeals to one market, and I didn't say anything was wrong with that, but even a non gamer knows the PSP isn't just aiming at the gaming market, its aiming at business ppl, the average person on thier daily jog, a person in a car, a person on a flight, urban gamers, mature audiences, pretty much anyone, and games for PSP although limited also appeal to all ages although targeted at a mature audience, its okay to focus on one aspect, but in a modern world, nobody would outside gaming would ever think about picking up a PSP, but with its other possibilities, anyone can, it isn't just focused at one market like Ipod or DS is, it is focusing at several, yes its expensive, but for an item such as the PSP, its worth it to some people, obviously a supporter of the DS would never see it this way as handhelds are made for gaming apparently, but you are forgetting why Sony became famous in the first place, walkmans, and these days its other handhelds, it is a really stupid thing to make a gaming handheld when you have a compnay that has many different qualities, Sony is in the movie industry, the phone industry, the gaming industry, the tech industry, why in the hell not make use of its strengths, that would be a stupid idea, and with the lack of games for a brand new handheld to the industry, its only wise to have other things to back it up at least until its games can help support it.

Have you considered that? Why do you think other handhelds from other companies failed? Its because they went head to head with a leading company with far more experience, why do you think Microsoft goes unchalleneged in the Software industry, or Ipod in the MP3 industry? Why do you think Zune failed to reach Ipod's standards? its because it went head to head, and when you look at Microsoft's inexperience in the MP3 department, whos product is an average person most likely to go with? Ipod of course, its a more recognised brand. So don't tell me about what Nintendo is doing, I'm not stupid, I know full well what they are doing and it is easy for them to get sales, nearly everyone knows the term gameboy, even non gamers do, how the heck was Sony meant to compete with that with a new only gaming (but limited) handheld? Next to impossible for them to survive in the market, to be honest, if they had followed the gaming path alone, I would have been suprized if they made 1m sales alone. So all those other features you say are crap and unneeded, I'll have you know, all that so called crap and failed devices has made the PSP both a name in the handheld industry and kept it surviving this long.

When I first had PSP, people asked me if it was gameboy, notice the powerful brand name Nintendo has, now when I walk around with it, people come up to me and go "Oh, you have a PSP", I was even stopped by a high sophisticated woman in London once who didn't even look as if she knew anything about gaming, we had a little convo on the train about the PSP, and she herself said she had considered buying it, the only thing stopping her being the fact that she was unsure of the price, once I told her, she seemed fine with it, not the slightest bit phased.

So please, spare me the details about how DS dominated this and that, DS dominated because there was no competition, also because former competitors were either to stupid or limited to realise that in the business world, you cannot always take on a business head to head and expect to win or survive for that matter. You have to have something extra, something unique, otherwise the company with the more know brand name wins, just the same way PS got past Nintendo with CDs and Xbox is competiting with PS3 with XBL, like Wii competes with Sony and Micro by having the new Wiimote, you need difreciation to suceed, if you studied business you'd know that.

Right now all that matters is that PSP has done its job, it has given itself a rightful name and stopped being known as a Gameboy, it has sold 22million, more so then any current next gen console, it is still increasing in sales, sold more then any competitior in the handheld department Nintendo has ever had on a large scale.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Or as an ultimately more fun alternative, sell that PSP and grab a DS. You'll thank yourself.

I was just thinking that...

So do you want to bring up that point about how DS dominates again? Cos its a rather pointless statement, considering it has been out before I was born, you're not bringing any new information to the table, by telling me that the DS is dominating, how is that meant to tell me anything I don't know, the DS is meant to be dominating.

It makes it seem as though the only reason you posted that is to get some attention or to stick a knife into the PSP, because even after we gave you the reason, you're still telling us the same thing over and over again. Wake up people, some people don't stick with a 2 decade old product, some people like something new, something unique, and thats where PSP stands.

I don't even understand how DS dominating has anything to do with the thread topic, have you looked at it by any chance? The thread is not called "Haha, DS sux, PSP owns" and it certainly isn't about that either, so why are you here telling me about the same thing we can clearly see with our own two eyes, what do you think we are blind, maybe thick, stupid enough that we haven't known the DS has been dominating for what, 2 1/2 / 3 years now? WE KNOW IT IS, stop puking up old news, but before you leave the thread finally realising that we don't give a sheeps butt about how the DS is dominating, take this with you, the PSP has not failed, its done what it needed to do, you can go now because it simply seems as if you have nothing positive to contibute to the thread, nor new. In fact you've taken it way off what it was meant to be, it might as well be closed now. Trust people to spoil a thread..

Originally posted by Pulse2
Its whats behind the arrow you're looking at. To the right of the arrows I mean. I know full well the DS appeals to one market, and I didn't say anything was wrong with that, but even a non gamer knows the PSP isn't just aiming at the gaming market, its aiming at business ppl, the average person on thier daily jog, a person in a car, a person on a flight, urban gamers, mature audiences, pretty much anyone, and games for PSP although limited also appeal to all ages although targeted at a mature audience, its okay to focus on one aspect, but in a modern world, nobody would outside gaming would ever think about picking up a PSP, but with its other possibilities, anyone can, it isn't just focused at one market like Ipod or DS is, it is focusing at several, yes its expensive, but for an item such as the PSP, its worth it to some people, obviously a supporter of the DS would never see it this way as handhelds are made for gaming apparently, but you are forgetting why Sony became famous in the first place, walkmans, and these days its other handhelds, it is a really stupid thing to make a gaming handheld when you have a compnay that has many different qualities, Sony is in the movie industry, the phone industry, the gaming industry, the tech industry, why in the hell not make use of its strengths, that would be a stupid idea, and with the lack of games for a brand new handheld to the industry, its only wise to have other things to back it up at least until its games can help support it.

Have you considered that? Why do you think other handhelds from other companies failed? Its because they went head to head with a leading company with far more experience, why do you think Microsoft goes unchalleneged in the Software industry, or Ipod in the MP3 industry? Why do you think Zune failed to reach Ipod's standards? its because it went head to head, and when you look at Microsoft's inexperience in the MP3 department, whos product is an average person most likely to go with? Ipod of course, its a more recognised brand. So don't tell me about what Nintendo is doing, I'm not stupid, I know full well what they are doing and it is easy for them to get sales, nearly everyone knows the term gameboy, even non gamers do, how the heck was Sony meant to compete with that with a new only gaming (but limited) handheld? Next to impossible for them to survive in the market, to be honest, if they had followed the gaming path alone, I would have been suprized if they made 1m sales alone. So all those other features you say are crap and unneeded, I'll have you know, all that so called crap and failed devices has made the PSP both a name in the handheld industry and kept it surviving this long.

When I first had PSP, people asked me if it was gameboy, notice the powerful brand name Nintendo has, now when I walk around with it, people come up to me and go "Oh, you have a PSP", I was even stopped by a high sophisticated woman in London once who didn't even look as if she knew anything about gaming, we had a little convo on the train about the PSP, and she herself said she had considered buying it, the only thing stopping her being the fact that she was unsure of the price, once I told her, she seemed fine with it, not the slightest bit phased.

So please, spare me the details about how DS dominated this and that, DS dominated because there was no competition, also because former competitors were either to stupid or limited to realise that in the business world, you cannot always take on a business head to head and expect to win or survive for that matter. You have to have something extra, something unique, otherwise the company with the more know brand name wins, just the same way PS got past Nintendo with CDs and Xbox is competiting with PS3 with XBL, like Wii competes with Sony and Micro by having the new Wiimote, you need difreciation to suceed, if you studied business you'd know that.

Right now all that matters is that PSP has done its job, it has given itself a rightful name and stopped being known as a Gameboy, it has sold 22million, more so then any current next gen console, it is still increasing in sales, sold more then any competitior in the handheld department Nintendo has ever had on a large scale.

Yes, the PSP is aiming at all these different people, and as a result the system doesn't accel at anything in particular. It just does a bunch of different things fairly well, and costs a lot at the same time. The problem with having too large a scope is that most people are only going to look to it for one function, and that's gaming. When they see two handheld GAMING systems sitting next to eachother, one costing nearly twice as much as the other, they won't take into account that the more expensive one can play expensive UMD movies, or browse the internet or download awkward roms, they'll care that the DS is less expensive, has better games, and has a unique and interesting new way of playing games.

Again, you're going on with the defending of the PSP, as if I maliciously insulted it, all the while just ignoring that the sole point I came into this thread to make was that the PSP had not outsold the DS in the month of November, which was stated in the thread, I came to correct that and make sure everyone was on the same page in knowing of the correct sales statistics, and not following falsities about the PSP beating the DS in November. Had nothing to do with which system was better, or such and such system sucks, just posting correct information about sales in response to incorrect information that was posted about sales. That's all my intent was, and you're acting as though it was more than that, continually saying in response to me that the PSP has done well (which I never denied) and that the PSP is a good system (again which I never denied) and going on about the Ipod (which I've never even mentioned and has even less to do with the purpose of this thread than discussing the DS, seeing as the Ipod isn't even in the same medium as the DS and PSP).

So, before you go on complaining more about people going off topic and posting about things that have nothing to do with the meaning of the thread, be sure to withold further gibberish about the Ipod and defending the PSP against attacks that were never made, thanks.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, the PSP is aiming at all these different people, and as a result the system doesn't accel at anything in particular. It just does a bunch of different things fairly well, and costs a lot at the same time. The problem with having too large a scope is that most people are only going to look to it for one function, and that's gaming. When they see two handheld GAMING systems sitting next to eachother, one costing nearly twice as much as the other, they won't take into account that the more expensive one can play expensive UMD movies, or browse the internet or download awkward roms, they'll care that the DS is less expensive, has better games, and has a unique and interesting new way of playing games.

Again, you're going on with the defending of the PSP, as if I maliciously insulted it, all the while just ignoring that the sole point I came into this thread to make was that the PSP had not outsold the DS in the month of November, which was stated in the thread, I came to correct that and make sure everyone was on the same page in knowing of the correct sales statistics, and not following falsities about the PSP beating the DS in November. Had nothing to do with which system was better, or such and such system sucks, just posting correct information about sales in response to incorrect information that was posted about sales. That's all my intent was, and you're acting as though it was more than that, continually saying in response to me that the PSP has done well (which I never denied) and that the PSP is a good system (again which I never denied) and going on about the Ipod (which I've never even mentioned and has even less to do with the purpose of this thread than discussing the DS, seeing as the Ipod isn't even in the same medium as the DS and PSP).

So, before you go on complaining more about people going off topic and posting about things that have nothing to do with the meaning of the thread, be sure to withold further gibberish about the Ipod and defending the PSP against attacks that were never made, thanks.

Are you saying that you immidiately expected the PSP to be brought to a new market and have more and better games then the DS and outsell it on its own turf? Yeah right, that was never going to happen, unlike Nintendo, Sony doesn't have it own large brand of games under its own brand name, they are usually done by another buisness under its name, so the lack of games was expected, its just common sense to know full well that the PSP was not going to survive one week with just games playable, first it needs to have the developers in order to make the games for it in ithe first place, Nintendo would have ease with the DS, gaming isn't even an issue with Nintendo, knowing full well that the games on the other gameboys are definatly going to draw more people in, they just recreated those games to be intigrated with its new touch screen features, tell me, how on Earth would PSP have competed with that being just games based and completly new, how in Gods name would it have even lasted the few short seconds it was released, it would have been the biggest flop, the biggest let down from Sony in the Playstation brand, Sony can't afford that, they had to have something the DS doesn't have, something different, something new, something to show people the power of the PSP even with the lack of games, slowly the developers would notice the PSP and start making games specifically for it.

To many the extra stuff was pointless as they wanted games, but to millions of others, the extra crap stuff was great, as it would replace and conjoin many things people didn't have or did have. If PSP could play games etc, why buy a seperate MPS, why buy a seperate handheld, why buy a seperate portable DVD player? This PSP does it all, the games are slim but yet increasing, and slowly but surely, it will have great games on it too, not that it already doesn't. I've played some fun games on my PSP, so there is no lack of entertainment there.

About that correction you made regarding the stats, nobody mentioned anything about DS outselling nor the November stats untill you came in:

Your first post:

Thing is, PSP sales have all but evaporated right now. Over the last year the DS has outsold the PSP by a huge amount, especially in japan. The DS, with the new DS lite design, are still selling like hot cakes, the PSP, not so much.
Go have a look, my argument was focused at Anomaly before you came in about his negative veiwpoint of the PSP. The november stats as unrelated to the topic as they were came in reply to your point about DS outselling the PSP which we already know about.

So basically, that whole Novenber stats and DS outselling is no fault of mine. I'm just making simple facts clear to someone who is showing negativity towards something they don't like when they could have simply ignored the topic and not reply to it if they dislike it. Nobody has forced you to buy a PSP and quite frankly we couldn't care less if you liked it or not, bought it or not, we did, and from that, am I not entitled to give advice to a fellow PSP gamer without someone else interupting?

And I could understand if what your saying was worth interupting the topic for, but its not. So I don't understand why you (not you in particular) would waste your time defending the DS when someone else recommended it for no reason whatsoever considering we aren't interested in DS. If you like the DS, I'm sure there are other DS threads you could bash the PSP in and mention its poor sales, but this topic certainly isn't it.

And from the small list of good games you put up, it is obvious you simply dislike the PSP because the PSP has various other game that are just as good if not better or more fun to play then that petty jokale list you put up, and that same list is growing. Whether DS outsold PSP in November is no ones concern because as much as the person you beleive is wrong because of that, you are also wrong regarding the slowing down sales of PSPs, you obviously dislike it so much you havevn't been paying attention to the sales of it, so you are making false accusations, since the release of PS3, the sales of PSP have been been raising rapidly as non owners buy so that they can connect with thier PS3s. So what if DS outsold it? How is that effecting the success of the PSP? People don't buy a game platform because it is doing well, they buy because of the games they enjoy. And as limited as they are, there is no doubt that people are buying PSPs because there are games they enjoy on it.