yes. it applies to the instrumentation, the lyrics, the vocals, the production, the concept. everything really. but i specifically said the LYRICS are making me like the ALBUM less. this means that the bad lyrics are taking off tally points on the overall album score. do i really have to spell this out for you?
Originally posted by manorastromanVocals and Lyrics do not have to have anything to do with anything. They could be singing "shit" over and over again and that wouldn't effect on their musicianship
yes. it applies to the instrumentation, the lyrics, the vocals, the production, the concept. everything really. but i specifically said the LYRICS are making me like the ALBUM less. this means that the bad lyrics are taking off tally points on the overall album score. do i really have to spell this out for you?
Originally posted by The Core
That's a pretty extreme view, IMO. You just...ignore lyrics for the sake of music?
I don't go out of my way to ignore lyrics, I don't go out of my way to pay attention. They neither make nor break music or albums for me. I don't buy music for words, and anybody who does is stupid or has absolutely no right to complain. Buy a spoken word CD, download the lyrics, don't buy the music then moan about the words.
Originally posted by manorastroman
yes. it applies to the instrumentation, the lyrics, the vocals, the production, the concept. everything really. but i specifically said the LYRICS are making me like the ALBUM less. this means that the bad lyrics are taking off tally points on the overall album score. do i really have to spell this out for you?
Such an idiot.
I know what you're saying, and I'm saying it's stupid. The lyrics being "bad" to you, is what's making you like the album (Which includes the music) less. You can't say "It's making me dislike the album, which includes the instrumentation, but I'm not specifically referring to the music.". Specifically or non, you're referring to the music.
I could understand if you bought a piece of paper and didn't like what was written on it. I don't see the sense in buying a music CD and then complaining about words, probably cos there's no sense there.
-AC
Originally posted by Captain Maynard
Vocals and Lyrics do not have to have anything to do with anything. They could be singing "shit" over and over again and that wouldn't effect on their musicianship
i know, but it would have an effect on the album. did you misread or something?
it's especially silly point to make in this case, seeing as neon bible is very clearly a concept album. how can you NOT judge a concept album on the basis of lyrics (though not lyrics exclusively)?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Such an idiot.I know what you're saying, and I'm saying it's stupid. The lyrics being "bad" to you, is what's making you like the album (Which includes the music) less. You can't say "It's making me dislike the album, which includes the instrumentation, but I'm not specifically referring to the music.". Specifically or non, you're referring to the music.
I could understand if you bought a piece of paper and didn't like what was written on it. I don't see the sense in buying a music CD and then complaining about words, probably cos there's no sense there.
-AC
i take solace in the fact that your opinion (like most of your opinions) is egregiously individualist and mostly stupid.
i very well can say that the lyrics make me like an album less without referring to the music itself. i'm referring to the album as a whole; the lyrics don't change my opinion on the music, but they do change my opinion on the album as a whole. or did lyrics just go from A (not part of the songwriting process, not part of the listening process) to B (apparently indistinguishable from the music, as saying i dislike one seemingly means i dislike the other)?
Originally posted by Captain Maynard
Vocals and Lyrics do not have to have anything to do with anything. They could be singing "shit" over and over again and that wouldn't effect on their musicianship
Lyrics, maybe not. Vocals, absolutely. A lot of bands have to stylize their vocals to either fit or distinguish themselves from other bands in their genre. While they could sing "shit" over and over again, it's ultimately how they go about crafting it that does make a difference.
I could sit here and draw parallels amongst many a "hardcore" band, and they'll usually come out on par with one another in lyrical content , delivery and even the actual musicianship, pertaining to instruments. If the lyrics are indecipherable, and the music is the same as the next band in their genre, what's left? Their image, which is why I more or less disregard the genre.
When it comes to Hip Hop, I think it's a totally different story. In that arena, delivery and lyrical content are those artists bread and butter.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i take solace in the fact that your opinion (like most of your opinions) is egregiously individualist and mostly stupid.
My opinions are quite clearly not mostly stupid, that's just you speaking with an over-generalisation because you're angry.
I absolve thee.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i very well can say that the lyrics make me like an album less without referring to the music itself. i'm referring to the album as a whole; the lyrics don't change my opinion on the music, but they do change my opinion on the album as a whole. or did lyrics just go from A (not part of the songwriting process, not part of the listening process) to B (apparently indistinguishable from the music, as saying i dislike one seemingly means i dislike the other)?
Then fair enough. You're now explicitly stating the lyrics hold no sway over your opinion of the music, to which I agree.
-AC