Jacen has surpassed all others but Luke. There is a source that says that.
Luke, Revan, Kyp and maybe the Exile and Ulic would be above Yoda.
The Exile {and Nihilus} are both wounds in the Force. She shouldn't really be counted. That's why certain people who rank Jedi and Sith put Nihilus and Exile as "0" because there are powers are rare and are ridiculous and many other reasons.
But the individuals {Jedi} who are greater than Yoda are:
- Luke
- Jacen
- Kyle?? (maybe...I'm not sure)
Kyp remains to be seen, hence I made this thread.
And Revan is not better than Yoda. Yoda was the strongest Jedi till then NJO. Although this really doesn't make sense, it's true.
Anyway, is Revan > Kyp??
Let us assume if Revan > Kyp
Yoda > Revan
Thus by Substitution {or transitive i guess} Yoda > Kyp
I don't know. Discuss
Originally posted by General Kenobl
But the individuals {Jedi} who are greater than Yoda are:- Luke
- Jacen
- Kyle?? (maybe...I'm not sure)Kyp remains to be seen, hence I made this thread.
Yoda already had demonstrated impressive fighting capabilities in ROTS against Sidious and against Dooku in AOTC.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
And Revan is not better than Yoda. Yoda was the strongest Jedi till then NJO. Although this really doesn't make sense, it's true.Anyway, is Revan > Kyp??
Let us assume if Revan > Kyp
Yoda > Revan
Thus by Substitution {or transitive i guess} Yoda > KypI don't know. Discuss
Revan should not be under-estimated.
In respect to the force, how could anyone possibly put Yoda on Kyp's level. 'Cause he looks cool?
Seriously, Kyp could manipulate black holes.
Yoda struggled with that crane that was falling on Anakin and Obi-Wan in AotC....
Now if Yoda somehow managed to force a lightsaber duel, he would win, but that won't happen, Kyp would just crush him with the force.
I don't understand that how these Jedi are better then Yoda in a one-on-one battle?
Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi of all time. The greatest wielder of the Force, and the strongest swordsmen (his speed with his lightsaber was so fast that it appeared as if 20 blades were there). He is better than Yoda.
Jacen Solo was the second strongest in the NJO, close to Luke himself.
Kyp Durron was the most powerful of Luke's original apprentices, nearly rivaling Luke himself. However, we're deciding if Yoda is greater.
Kyle Katarn is the NJO's Battlemaster. His swordsmenship is as good as Luke Skywalker's. With very little Jedi training, he was able to kill Jerec and Dark minions in combat. He was also able to kill the fallen knight Desaan even though he was out of connection with the Force for years and Desaan was one of the Academy's most promising Jedi. He might be better than Yoda.
I believe that Revan is on par with Yoda. He has defeated many powerful individuals and he has proved his impressive fighting abilities on Star Forge.
Yes, but we need to hold that quote credible to an extent. However, Yoda and Revan are probably definately on par, with one of them being only a bit greater.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Revan is leagues above Yoda, he single handedly defeated an entire army of Rakatan warriors and Rancor beasts with just force lightning, Yoda has done, what?
Leagues above Yoda? As much as I love Revan, Yoda was the most powerful Jedi up until Luke, so that would more than likely make Revan #2. Either way you're humoring us again by arguing against facts.
Originally posted by Sexyback
What fact? Yoda is never factually stated to be the most powerful jedi up until Luke, how about you prove that these 'facts' exist. Yoda's simply overrated here, his raw power's pretty pathetic.
And this is why you're a joke on this forum and I don't have to provide any proof whatsoever to destroy your arguments, knowing full well you argue against facts.
Ok, about revan and yoda, i put them very very close with slightly advantage to yoda.
By the way, interesting thought: did the actual jedi actually knew about revan's power and all the ancient jedi masters? I mean, by the old and ancient times there weren't midichlorian count devices to measure the jedi's force potential, so this could mean that yoda is the strongest since they started to measure the midichlorians in their blood. If you see, obi-wan says that "not even master yoda as such high number of midichlorians" when he saw anakin's blood analyse, something like this, because i don't believe they could know precisely the power of every single jedi during 25 000 years of history to say that yoda best them all, so probably yoda bested them all after they started registering midichlorian counts. Interesting thought, isn't it? lol
About the rest of the jedis, i agree that luke>yoda, but i doubt kyle katarn or kyp durron are stonger then him. About jacen, well, let's say he is pretty dam close to yoda, more then that i am not really sure.
Originally posted by Geistalt
Kyp takes Force by virtue of being able to move a black hole (which, as discussed years ago, has at least the mass of a moon); Yoda takes sabers and all-out.
If Kyp could move the mass of a moon, he could have solo'd entire armies of YV with earthquakes and debris.
That didn't happen.
In Kyp's final battles with the Vong, he got stomped pretty easily.
Kyp can't manipulate a black hole - he manipulated a creature called a Dovin Basal and that creature manipulates black holes.
Kyp's TK is Yoda-tier - but Yoda is faster and more experienced, so Yoda wins.