Yeah, I went to the library actually to get books with a lot of Jacen in them, but I started reading Dark Tide II: Ruin and I thought that Ganner was pretty interesting so I looked up info on him on Wookiepedia (awesome site which actually got me into EU).
And now that I've read almost every inch of that site I've got to say that Jacen's a puss. He got pushed out of the way by his little bro to lead a suicide mission where he got put 2nd in command and was glad about it. Plus, who wants to be Dark Lord of the Sith anyway, that's just gay. Hey I'm gonna kill Jedi!!! Oh wait Yuuzhan Vong's doing that for me. Then he goes and names his flagship after his little bro that he practically killed by wanting to be 2nd in command.
Wow, I'm nerded out. Star Wars has betrayed me again!!! Oh well I can still pray that lightsabers come into existence before I die. And is it just me or are green lightsabers gay compared to all the other ones?
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
That's Dark Tide I: OnslaughtHorn and Ganner witness two Yuuzhan Vong killing a slave. Ganner, being one of the more radical Jedi following Durron, was about to rush in when Horn, being very clever, made the smell of the dead slash rats which made him sick.
Corran was more clever than Ganner but he would be no match in a fight.
Vergere even says to Jacen Solo, "He was born to be a legend."
Kas'im was known for being a master with a lightsaber. Ganner was known for his TK.
Kas'im was obviously well with the force for his master to purchase him from slaves. But what I can't get is that his master payed for him instead of slaughtering his captors. Stupid Sith. The only good thing they did was invent Force Lightning.
Kas'im has a resistance to the Force but its like shooting at targets, eventually you'll have to hit it, and eventually a shield will break.
1. Ganner- Master of TK.
2. Kas'im- Master of lightsaber combat.
3. Ganner- I'm pretty sure that the force is more useful than a lightsaber, just stay far enough away from its reach and pull what Darth Vader did in Episode V, use TK to bombard your opponent with anything not nailed down.
Corran is no match for Ganner? Please, you must be out of your mind. Ganner is stronger in TK, thats it. Everyone is stronger than Corran in TK, that doesnt make him weak, its part of his bloodline. I'm not sure how you can compare Ganner the 'joke' to Corran Horn, the Jedi Master selected to lead the order in Lukes absence. Those two went on a mission together, and Corran was in charge.
Corran's an old man!!!!
The only thing that Corran did that was cool was have a silver lightsaber that when you twisted the handle doubled in length and became purple.
Let me restate my comment.
Using the TK bombardment trick that Vader pulled in Episode V, Corran would be no match.
Corran was also in charge on Garqi only because he was chosen by the military chose him to lead the operation because of his past with Rogue Squadron.
I don't see how Ganner is at all a "joke" when "Corran Horn, the Jedi Master selected to lead the order in Lukes absence," chose him to be one of his civilian observers.
Corran was a skilled Jedi because of his dedication and his time as one.
He was skilled with mind tricks and had an almost bullet-time like state he went into in combat at times.
But like I said, the Force is more powerful than a lightsaber.
What does age have anything to do with this? Yoda.
Yes Corran was appointed head of the Jedi in DN by Cal Omas, but in LOTF Corran is selected by luke to lead the Jedi.
If the force is more powerful than a lightsaber, why didnt Anakin beat Obi-Wan? Why didnt Luke dominate Lomi Plo/Ranyar Thul quickly?
Oh yea, and Ganner was mind tricked my Corrans child son.
EDIT: Oh yea, just so you know, I like Ganner too, im just not delusional.
Luke did dominate Raynar Thul, and Lomi Plo. He kept trying to turn Thul away from the dark side while toying with Plo, before he ends up killing her... that fight was the epitome of a curb stomp.
Corran's son did NOT mind-trick Ganner, he mind-tricked the ants in the forest on Yavin, and THEY attacked ganner because they he was food. He though Horn did the trick is all.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
Corran's an old man!!!!
Which means he has more experience and training. Age means almost nothing to Jedi.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
The only thing that Corran did that was cool was have a silver lightsaber that when you twisted the handle doubled in length and became purple.
So it's a battle of coolness?
And he absorbed all of the energy from a huge explosion and channeled it into the air in the shape of a lightsaber that could be seen from miles and miles away, with only SIX WEEKS of training. He also has extreme affinity for Force Absorption and mind control, as he was able to trick even Luke for a few seconds with only a few weeks of training.
He also defeated Shedao Shai, which I highly doubt Ganner could have done.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
Let me restate my comment.
Using the TK bombardment trick that Vader pulled in Episode V, Corran would be no match.[/B][/QUOTE]
Except Corran would easily absorb all of Ganner's TK energy and redirect it right back at him. Or get his head cut off just trying to use TK on corran.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
Corran was also in charge on Garqi only because he was chosen by the military chose him to lead the operation because of his past with Rogue Squadron.
Are you trying to downplay his abilities because he has experience?
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
I don't see how Ganner is at all a "joke" when "Corran Horn, the Jedi Master selected to lead the order in Lukes absence," chose him to be one of his civilian observers.
People just called him a Jedi because he messed up a lot. He didn't perform as well as a lot of his peers.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
Corran was a skilled Jedi because of his dedication and his time as one.
He was skilled with mind tricks and had an almost bullet-time like state he went into in combat at times.
That's part of the reason.
Originally posted by Xero_Ganner
But like I said, the Force is more powerful than a lightsaber.
And Corran is far more powerful with the Force.
EVEN IF he wasn't more powerful with the Force he is better with a saber and...
"Someone well trained in lightsaber combat can defeat an opponent who is stronger in the Force."
―Kas'im's view on lightsaber dueling
I like Ganner alot; that scene in Traitor could be my favorite in the entire series, but he's simply not stronger than Corran or Kas'im, unless in that one time state. He isn't, so it doesn't matter.
some of u keep refering to ganners "power up" as a one time thing. do u have any proof he would not have retained that strength had he survived. the author described him as finally becoming one with the force. i dont know how many times a master told a student that thw force is everywhere and they need to become 1 with it. i took it as him finaly unlocking his true potential but unfortunatly it came just before he had to sacrifice himself.
do u have any proof he would not have retained that strength had he survived.
Tl;dr version: prove he keeps it.
and even if he could only reach that leven when he goes "all out" what is he going to hold back in a duel with kas'im and for some reason not go all out. oh and corran is weak only in tk, but extremly strong in the force and other aspects of it mostly mind powers, and is an very high calibre duelest. i could be wrong but didnt he successfuly use his mind powers on ganner on their mission in dark tide. to sum it up ganner over kas'im and corran over both (not both at once)