Originally posted by OneDumbG0Where does it say or is suggested the orb enhanced his durability? He only used the orb a couple of times and each occasion he was using it offensively, with a couple of punches and a blast, its never said his durability was amped.
I thought that was just the energy being expelled which enhanced his durability. I was not aware that the orb also enhanced his physical strength.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The orb belonged to Tyrant. The power in it was Morgs. The orb was Tyrants. Reading is fundemental. Stop bothering me you silly kid.
Coming from a person that took an hour to report all of my posts? Yeah, Digi pmed me about that.
Pot and kettle, anyone? 🙄
Anyway, why don't you show some proof of it amping Thanos?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Coming from a person that took an hour to report all of my posts? Yeah, Digi pmed me about that.Pot and kettle, anyone? 🙄
Anyway, why don't you show some proof of it amping Thanos?
I said he used the Orb to attack tyrant. As in Thanos added it's assault to his own. He knew he couldnt' face Tyrant under his own power. The best defense is a good offense. Anyone can tell you that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanos
Originally posted by leonidas
what makes it so 'clear' to you?
Becuz it seems Thanos Feats all have to do with his Mind, Durability, Cosmic powers, and Skill. He has no strength feats to speak of, so one must surmise that he is only as strong as the top tiers. I dont even see how you can be any stronger than an enraged hulk or PG wielding Champion. How can you be stronger than Unlimted Strength?
i never said he was stronger than an enraged hulk or a pg champion. seems clear to me thanos was NOT 'stronger' than champion, nor could he overpower him because of the gem.
i DO think thanos is capable of amping his strength, like odin could if he chose.
where does thanos top out in pure strength? not sure. somewhere just below wm thor, imo. there is a scan that says wm thor=10x normal thor. that . . . is ridiculous to me. i don't believe thanos is 10x stronger than hercules, or superman, or any other top tier (ie -- supes lifts 1 planet, thanos can lift 10 . . . 😕 )
i've no doubt that thanos IS stronger than any single top tier though. there are some who could give him a run, but not only is he stronger, he's smarter, more durable AND can draw on reserves that can amp him even further.
Originally posted by leonidas
i never said he was stronger than an enraged hulk or a pg champion. seems clear to me thanos was NOT 'stronger' than champion, nor could he overpower him because of the gem.i DO think thanos is capable of amping his strength, like odin could if he chose.
where does thanos top out in pure strength? not sure. somewhere just below wm thor, imo. there is a scan that says wm thor=10x normal thor. that . . . is ridiculous to me. i don't believe thanos is 10x stronger than hercules, or superman, or any other top tier (ie -- supes lifts 1 planet, thanos can lift 10 . . . 😕 )
i've no doubt that thanos IS stronger than any single top tier though. there are some who could give him a run, but not only is he stronger, he's smarter, more durable AND can draw on reserves that can amp him even further.
The problem as I see it, is that many top tiers can also amp. Superman Amps with sundips, Thor amps by going crazy, The Hulk is the Hulk. WW amps with the Guantlet or the God wave, Gladiator amps with more confidence, and so on and so on. IT just seems unfair to outright say Thanos is above any top tier unless he's somehow amping. Even then, They can amp as well.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlEveryone you mentioned except WW can amp naturally...
The problem as I see it, is that many top tiers can also amp. Superman Amps with sundips, Thor amps by going crazy, The Hulk is the Hulk. WW amps with the Guantlet or the God wave, Gladiator amps with more confidence, and so on and so on. IT just seems unfair to outright say Thanos is above any top tier unless he's somehow amping. Even then, They can amp as well.
Originally posted by bigbran
Everyone you mentioned except WW can amp naturally...
Do we give Thor the belt of strength and the Odinpower, when we say he amps? No, the same goes for WW.
Of course she could always just pray for more strength. Natural is a subjective term when your talking about a magical creature. But I had to throw her in there. 😄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The problem as I see it, is that many top tiers can also amp. Superman Amps with sundips, Thor amps by going crazy, The Hulk is the Hulk. WW amps with the Guantlet or the God wave, Gladiator amps with more confidence, and so on and so on. IT just seems unfair to outright say Thanos is above any top tier unless he's somehow amping. Even then, They can amp as well.
i think most tend to look at most consistent showings though. CAN hulk become stronger than thanos? imo, yes. is a sun-dipped supes as strong as thanos? maybe. i'm not sure how strong sun-dip is, or how long he'd need to 'dip' to match him. is a fully confident glads (something never seen??) as strong as thanos? maybe.
the question shouldn't be does their HIGHEST showings indicate that they CAN approach/reach thanos, but rather, do they appear -- at regular showings -- equal to thanos? not imo. thor has tried to go 1on1 with thanos in the past and NOT done well at all. which stands to reason given that it took wm thor to match him. these other characters also have MUCH more history upon which to draw and FIND feats -- ie: superman. thanos's feats generally involve him BEATING UP a bunch of top tier guys -- usually more than one at a time.
i don't think he's SOOO far beyond that some top tiers can't slug it out with him for a while, (starfox did so for a short while, after all) but still, all told, he's above top tier, and to reach his level top tier guys need amping of the sort you mentioned above.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think most tend to look at most consistent showings though. CAN hulk become stronger than thanos? imo, yes. is a sun-dipped supes as strong as thanos? maybe. i'm not sure how strong sun-dip is, or how long he'd need to 'dip' to match him. is a fully confident glads (something never seen??) as strong as thanos? maybe.the question shouldn't be does their HIGHEST showings indicate that they CAN approach/reach thanos, but rather, do they appear -- at regular showings -- equal to thanos? not imo. thor has tried to go 1on1 with thanos in the past and NOT done well at all. which stands to reason given that it took wm thor to match him. these other characters also have MUCH more history upon which to draw and FIND feats -- ie: superman. thanos's feats generally involve him BEATING UP a bunch of top tier guys -- usually more than one at a time.
i don't think he's SOOO far beyond that some top tiers can't slug it out with him for a while, (starfox did so for a short while, after all) but still, all told, he's above top tier, and to reach his level top tier guys need amping of the sort you mentioned above.
So then someone like Mongul, Despero, or Infinity man should have no problem duking it out with Thanos since they are all above top tier as well no?
i'd agree with that. despero has done to cap marvel and superman, what thanos did to the hulk and hercules.
i think despero is a good strength match in dc for thanos. thanos may be able to surpass him though by augmenting with his cosmic power -- generally he doesn't seem to do that, though. he just uses 'power' instead.
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dop89yd.jpg
Not quite sure how much more powerful doing that made him, but it looks cool 😉
Wich Mongul is above top tiers? Post crisis, Sr definatly wasent. He was close but not that up. Jr? Have no ideia. Never looked that way to me.
Desespero? He would. Especially the Virtue and Vice showing. Definatly above top tier (like Thanos), and strong mentally.
If anything, hes probably less durable somewhat, since Hawkman`s mace drew blood of him, and i dont recall it being magical, but hey if it is....even better. Anyone consideres that particulary moment a low durability showing?
Originally posted by olympian
Wich Mongul is above top tiers? Post crisis, Sr definatly wasent. He was close but not that up. Jr? Have no ideia. Never looked that way to me.Desespero? He would. Especially the Virtue and Vice showing. Definatly above top tier (like Thanos), and strong mentally.
If anything, hes probably less durable somewhat, since Hawkman`s mace drew blood of him, and i dont recall it being magical, but hey if it is....even better. Probably a low durability showing.
yeah, i didn't say despero would beat thanos in a fight, only that he appears a nice match strength-wise. despero would give thanos a hellaworkout, but thanos is still thanos in the end and would beat despero for a fair-sized majority, imo. but each fight would be very close, and i DO think despero capable of taking a couple.
I actually think, that strengthwise they dont match up that far away. Desespero cleaned the clock of what? 3 top tiers at the same time and one who was a lesser level, and Thanos did...practically the same.
I think its Thanos other abilities that would probably have him stealing more wins. If it plays on a physical level only, that Desespero has the chances, tho. What a beast.
Originally posted by Wally WestSo when he used it, he harnessed its power when punching and blasting? Cool. What about when he was wrestling him? You know what? You probably already answered that. Or someone did. but I'm buzzed from beer. So forgive me and please repeat. While I repeat me getting another beer. BTW, Bass is always a good choice but Harp sucks as a lager. Horrible taste and worse aftertaste. Tastes like a home brewed beer. Yuck.
Where does it say or is suggested the orb enhanced his durability? He only used the orb a couple of times and each occasion he was using it offensively, with a couple of punches and a blast, its never said his durability was amped.
Ok, so nvrbeen needs to get smacked pretty bad:
Professor Hulk
He starts out as a Class 100 level guy, can grow in strength, not fast as Savage, but almost, and the difference, is not big, Professor's only weakness was being a bit less durable, but he could just get pissed off and keep his intelligence and outsmart others.
Hercules
In the IG/IW saga he was the half-god one, it means Thor strength level and immense durability.
Thing
Ok, he was like Class 85/90 at the time, so he's not much of a big gun, you're right on this.
Thanos VS Power Gem users
Do you understand that despite the madness, Thor was fighting Thanos and knowed well who he was fighting, that's why he was so mercyless also, cause even under normal circumstances he knows he''s dealing with major troubles against Thanos.Champion fought Thanos and got pissed off cause found someone able to punch him and make him feeling the punch.
Thanos VS Drax, no power gem, no "Hulk" size one.
The Drax who destroyed a planet while fighting FIST TO FIST with Thanos wasn't even using the gem.Punches that crushes a planet are enough to you?
Originally posted by K3VIL
Ok, so nvrbeen needs to get smacked pretty bad:
Professor Hulk
He starts out as a Class 100 level guy, can grow in strength, not fast as Savage, but almost, and the difference, is not big, Professor's only weakness was being a bit less durable, but he could just get pissed off and keep his intelligence and outsmart others.
Hercules
In the IG/IW saga he was the half-god one, it means Thor strength level and immense durability.
Thing
Ok, he was like Class 85/90 at the time, so he's not much of a big gun, you're right on this.Thanos VS Power Gem users
Do you understand that despite the madness, Thor was fighting Thanos and knowed well who he was fighting, that's why he was so mercyless also, cause even under normal circumstances he knows he''s dealing with major troubles against Thanos.Champion fought Thanos and got pissed off cause found someone able to punch him and make him feeling the punch.Thanos VS Drax, no power gem, no "Hulk" size one.
The Drax who destroyed a planet while fighting FIST TO FIST with Thanos wasn't even using the gem.Punches that crushes a planet are enough to you?
What the heck is your point. I have already adressed all of these issues. THanos couldn't even handle morg on his own. Morg has been beaten by Silver surfer, who has been beaten by thanos. It would appear, heroes job to thanos. Period. Villians on the other hand, dont seem to job as much. as Champion and Morg had very impressive showing againt Thanos. Even ODin Jobbed to thanos. I'm not impressed. As far as the planet they destroyed, We dont know how big the planet was, or how dense. It could have been the size of a moon. Superman has destroyed planets on his own with out fighting someone. I dont need to be smacked. I refuse to turn into a clone of everyone else and think like everyone else becuz it's the popular thing to do. I'm going to scrutinize every bit of "accepted" forum logic until It all fits.
