Zatanna vs Iron Man

Started by Brian Oswald4 pages

Pre-Extremis- Zatanna 10/10
Current- Zatanna 7-8/10

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For curiosity's sake.

They fight in a well-lit ventilated 150 m cubed adamantium room, starting at opposite corners.

Standard rules etc. Bloodlust.

1. Pre-Extremis
2. Current

Discuss.

1. its takes a fraction of a second to say the world 'dleihs' or 'eid', so i gotta say zatanna...

2. Same again...

Originally posted by Validus
I'm going to guess you didn't read that.

Oh Just realised it was written backwards 😛

Originally posted by pr1983
1. its takes a fraction of a second to say the world 'dleihs' or 'eid', so i gotta say zatanna...

2. Same again...

Doesn't Zatanna need to be more specific other than just saying "die"? It might backfire and work on her instead.

Although I'm not doubting she could taking Iron Man out. But how would she avoid a double KO?

You guys DO realize that Zatanna's backward speak is just a concentration tool, and gimmick. She has said this before. She CAN use her spells without them 😬
Plus even if she just said die, well she knows where she is directing the magic towards.

She could just say stop, and everything from Ironman would stop including his missles and himself

Originally posted by Evangel94
Doesn't Zatanna need to be more specific other than just saying "die"? It might backfire and work on her instead.

Although I'm not doubting she could taking Iron Man out. But how would she avoid a double KO?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You guys DO realize that Zatanna's backward speak is just a concentration tool, and gimmick. She has said this before. She CAN use her spells without them 😬
Plus even if she just said die, well she knows where she is directing the magic towards.

She could just say stop, and everything from Ironman would stop including his missles and himself

pretty much what bw said is what i would have answered with...

Out of curiousity...

What's the greatest feat shes done by herself with her magic?

Originally posted by pr1983
pretty much what bw said is what i would have answered with...
It's also an homage to her father.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Out of curiousity...

What's the greatest feat shes done by herself with her magic?


Some people would say she forced Spectre to appear before her in Infinite Crisis. I'm not sure I agree with that interpretation.

I still think her handling of Despero after he embarrassed the JLA was pretty elite.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's also an homage to her father.

it is? coulda sworn it was her mother... 😖

Originally posted by Validus
I still think her handling of Despero after he embarrassed the JLA was pretty elite.

it was... though red tornado did soften em up for her... 😛 nah... she did a pretty sweet job of stopping despero...

Her greatest feat to my mind was bringing the entire city of Metropolis back to life after it had been been destroyed. EVERY living thing that was destroyed was brought back to life and everything was as it was before it got nuked.

She just waved her hand and everything was okay again. Nobody even remembered the crisis.

What I'm trying to get at is does she have enough consistant feats to gauge her power. Is their a ceiling limit to her power?

Is she even capable of stopping time? Moreover, can she do it over two football fields away? 150m squared, at opposite corners, they are about 212 meters away or just over two football fields away. Can she even see him at that distance?

I'm not doubting she could stop Iron Man with a word or two, but is she fast enough to stop some of his near lightspeed attacks?

Because of the way this battle is set up, whoever gets their first shot off wins. And while she may put down Iron Man, it seems like there's a good chance that she could get hit with one of Iron Man's weapons in mid-speech or mid-sentence making it either a double KO or a victory for Iron Man depending if she was able to say something to put Iron Man down before he hit her.

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
the thing is that with Extremis he has greatly enhanced reflexes and he would respond before she would. He would start by shooting something like a beam at light speed and it would most likely hit her before she could say anything or she'd be in the middle of saying something.

It would hit her faster than she could even think. So it really is a question of whose neurocognitive system works faster (who could think the first thought to make the first move faster), and that sounds like Extremis to me.

Someone with this type of advantage could take out a much more powerful opponent.

Originally posted by Draco69
Her greatest feat to my mind was bringing the entire city of Metropolis back to life after it had been been destroyed. EVERY living thing that was destroyed was brought back to life and everything was as it was before it got nuked.

She just waved her hand and everything was okay again. Nobody even remembered the crisis.

i'd whistle in astonishment if i knew how...

Zatanna doesn't appear to have a "ceiling limit". Like Doctor Strange, she's a plot-device character who can do whatever she wants when the plot calls for it.

Again, she doesn't have to SAY the words. That's primarily out of homeage to her father AND for the reader so they know what the hell's she doing. Much like Vixen's recent sudden need to say the name of the animal she emulates. Vixen's prior appearances show that's not a needed requirement.

Extremis Iron-Man can win if he manages to get an attack in first hand. However Zatanna only needs to think what she wants to happen to Tony for it to happen. Hell, by thinking she wants Tony to die, he will die.

Originally posted by pr1983
i'd whistle in astonishment if i knew how...

Her other greatest feat was in Seven Soldiers of Victory. She altered the fundamental laws of the entire multiverse by allowing the soldiers to move into place allowing the defeat of Sheeda.

Originally posted by Draco69
Her other greatest feat was in Seven Soldiers of Victory. She altered the fundamental laws of the entire multiverse by allowing the soldiers to move into place allowing the defeat of Sheeda.

i have no idea what any of that means, but it sounds impressive... 😛

nah, i'm teasin, thats pretty damn impressive...

Originally posted by Draco69
Zatanna doesn't appear to have a "ceiling limit". Like Doctor Strange, she's a plot-device character who can do whatever she wants when the plot calls for it.

That's why I never liked "magic." disgust

Extremis Iron-Man can win if he manages to get an attack in first hand. However Zatanna only needs to think what she wants to happen to Tony for it to happen. Hell, by thinking she wants Tony to die, he will die.

But if she's up against an opponent who can think faster, she dies.

Originally posted by Mindship
But if she's up against an opponent who can think faster, she dies.
So long as the totality of the opponent's attack can be executed faster than her own, regardless of the faster mental processing ability of the opponent.

That's the problem with Zatanna. She possesses a sort of "wishing" power. Anything she wishes becomes reality. By wishing the death of Tony since it is a bloodlusted match, she can possibly kill Tony in the first second of the battle since her intention is to kill him.