Originally posted by juggernaut66666
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Check the mini and tie ins, explains perfectly on panel by narration and luth.
Parallax, Super man blue, the death of heroes, the changing of history, all caused by SBP.
And towards the end of the mini Luth explains that SBP does not need the source wall to do it, rather it was his emotion; it is the same issue in which Luth injects him with anti-matter I think.
Originally posted by Board Walker
if thats what you want to believe, but please do explain to me as to when in comics SBP has ever shown to be weak to magic? All panel showings have shown him to be resiliant and immune to it.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Please do enlighten me as to how SBP has not done feats which put him beyond Thor and BRB,
Originally posted by Board Walker
or explain to me how SBP does not have multiversal manipulation, when it was explained on panel by narration and Luth?
Originally posted by Priest
yet u compare SBP to pre-crisis superman, last time i check PreCrisis superman was getting pwaned buy guys with spell books. Kyrtonians hare weak against magic.Fighting Celestials, elder gods, and skyfathers.
can he accually control his manipulation skills at will?
First point, SBP is from the pre-crisis age, and he has the strengths of Pre-crisis supes but does not have his full power yet due to his age.
Unlike PC superman, he has none of his weaknesses.
Thirdly, when some one can move planets like balloons so fast, that their is no change on the planet itself, then yes he has the strength, speed, and matter manipulation; it takes matter manipulation to hold a planet together when moving it at billions of times the speed of light, other wise the momment he touched it, it would have shattered.
Finally, as I have said before SBP does not have conscious control of his powers, which is why I stated a full potential SBP who has full control of his power, is fully matured, and has tapped the anti-matter in him, then he could beat Galactus.
Everything I state has happened in the comics on panel.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
J'onn pwned a Multi-Versal threat with ease!!! 😱
I give you respect for your post, even when you stretch them quite a bit, yet what I post is what is on panel and shown in the comics and I receive none from you.
I do not mind a debate, or doubts, but obviously I suppose your "open mind" is far to narrow to see anything beyond what you want to see.
Originally posted by Board Walker
First point, SBP is from the pre-crisis age, and he has the strengths of Pre-crisis supes but does not have his full power yet due to his age.
Unlike PC superman, he has none of his weaknesses.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Thirdly, when some one can move planets like balloons so fast, that their is no change on the planet itself, then yes he has the strength, speed, and matter manipulation.
Originally posted by Board Walker
takes matter manipulation to hold a planet together when moving it at billions of times the speed of light, other wise the momment he touched it, it would have shattered.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Finally, as I have said before SBP does not have conscious control of his powers, which is why I stated a full potential SBP who has full control of his power, is fully matured, and has tapped the anti-matter in him, then he could beat Galactus.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Everything I state has happened in the comics on panel.
Originally posted by Priest
OK, so he is from Pre Crisis age, but dosent have weakness to magic like PC superman? i still dont buy it.he dosent have matter manitpulations powers. Untill i see him turn matter to another element like a GL, or Surfer, ur assumtions are only speculation.
No its not matter manipulation, its tactile telekinesis on a plantery level he possesses. the Hulk has it too btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactile_telekinesiswe never seen him use his manipulation powers willingly, so that argument is flawed.
Its hillarious u thing Super Boy emo can defeat abstracts now.ur full potential garabage of superboy has not been shown on pannel.
Hes from the PC age, and he doesnt have a weakness to kryptonite, he also doesn't have a weakness to Radiation, as shown in the PC age, and stated by DC in the mini; and as far as on panel showings going which are what carry weight on these forums, he has shown no weakness to magic what so ever.
Secondly, you think its garbage about the feats he has already done on panel, as manipulating and changing the DC multiverse? He has already done these things on panel, when I say full potential I mean when he can fully and consciously control his powers.
Its funny, you argue that SBP at full potential is garbage, yet you defend Galactus at full potential, yet he has never been shown at full potential; your quite the hypocritical one.
P.S. Current Supes has done full blown Matter manipulation, when he manipulated the sun eater and complete changed it into some thing else.
And not being weak to the magically charged punch of Black Adam of course automatically means that he's completely and utterly immune to magic. Just like if you took away Superman's weakness to magic he'd wtfpwn Odin.
And DC editorial using him to conveniently explain away continuity inconsistencies and retcons means he's a multiversal power.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And not being weak to the magically charged punch of Black Adam of course automatically means that he's completely and utterly immune to magic. Just like if you took away Superman's weakness to magic he'd wtfpwn Odin.And DC editorial using him to conveniently explain away continuity inconsistencies and retcons means he's a multiversal power.
DC stated it, and it was shown on panel that by his power he manipulated the DC multiverse, its canon, and DC's word carries more weight then your opinion.
Did I ever say he would destroy Odin? Or another high level magic user? What it means is that at the very least SBP has no weakness to magic, is he immune to it completely? That has yet to be seen.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Hes from the PC age, and he doesnt have a weakness to kryptonite, he also doesn't have a weakness to Radiation, as shown in the PC age, and stated by DC in the mini; and as far as on panel showings going which are what carry weight on these forums, he has shown no weakness to magic what so ever.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Secondly, you think its garbage about the feats he has already done on panel, as manipulating and changing the DC multi-verse?
Originally posted by Board Walker
He has already done these things on panel, when I say full potential I mean when he can fully and consciously control his powers.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Its funny, you argue that SBP at full potential is garbage, yet you defend Galactus at full potential, yet he has never been shown at full potential; your quite the hypocritical one.
Originally posted by Board WalkerThe only time I recall him altering reality was when he was punching a wall/out of the Phantom Zone arrow - perhaps the stupidest plot device ever- and the effects of which weren't controlled. Where on panel does it show Superboy Prime "manipulating the DC multiverse" aside from those instances to any intended purpose.
DC stated it, and it was shown on panel that by his power he manipulated the DC multiverse, its canon, and DC's word carries more weight then your opinion.Did I ever say he would destroy Odin? Or another high level magic user? What it means is that at the very least SBP has no weakness to magic, is he immune to it completely? That has yet to be seen.
I do believe you've stated "Superboy Prime is immune to magic." something like 5 times now in this thread.
Originally posted by Priest
Give me evidence of SBP having a defence towards magic.he hasn't done in willingly, how he supposed to defeat galactus if he cant control such "power".
He has already done these things on panel, when I say full potential I mean when he can fully and consciously control his powers.
ON PANNEL the watcher said Galactus can destroy the universe 10x's
ON PANNEL eternity said at full power Galactus is his equal.
now ur gonna discredit the watcher, and freaking Eternity becuase u don't like the idea that galactus can reach that power. I mean he is a freaking abstract.
Juggernaut6666 just posted scans of more than normal powered Galactus destroying the universe.
There is no pannel evidence superboy prime has power to manipulate anything on his own will.
Im not a hypocrite, i back my arguments by solid facts, u on the other hand are basing all ur assumptions of SBP on speculations. [/B][/QUOTE]
SBP is different from the other Kyrptonians and PC supermen, from the fact that he has shown on panel to have none of their weaknesses, and I will say that he may not be fully immune to magic, but as I have said several times as of right now he at the very least has no weakness to it.
Secondly, you take the watchers word about Galactus being full potential, yet you do not take Luthors word about SBP's potential? Their both the words of the writter, so again your being hypocritical, with accepting Galactus but not SBP.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The only time I recall him altering reality was when he was punching a wall/out of the Phantom Zone arrow - perhaps the stupidest plot device ever- and the effects of which weren't controlled. Where on panel does it show Superboy Prime "manipulating the DC multiverse" aside from those instances to any intended purpose.I do believe you've stated "Superboy Prime is immune to magic." something like 5 times now in this thread.
Several instances, he first does it in the tower, it is when Luthor is explaining, secondly he also punches straight through reality during one of the scuffles, he also broke out of the phantom zone, broke out of the speed force, all with no force wall. It was explained that it was SBP's emotion that changes reality.
And for the fifth time now, I have said SBP doesn't have full control of his powers, which Luthor said himself.
Originally posted by Board WalkerAre you referring to when they're still trapped, and he's punching that wall? If not, scans?
Several instances, he first does it in the tower, it is when Luthor is explaining, secondly he also punches straight through reality during one of the scuffles,
Originally posted by Board WalkerAnd? I asked for instances where he showed multiversal manipulation. Are those intended to be feats showing he can manipulate reality on a multiversal scale?
he also broke out of the phantom zone, broke out of the speed force, all with no force wall.
Originally posted by Board WalkerAgain is this when they're still trapped and he's punching the plot device wall.
It was explained that it was SBP's emotion that changes reality.
It also said that he was going to destroy the universe by blowing up Oa. Oa has been destroyed before iirc.
Originally posted by grey fox
Majestic needed special gloves to do so. Superboy prime did it under his own power.Let's be honest here , a celestial not fragging Thor as soon as it realises the Odinson is trying to attack is poor writing. A 'space god' owns any asgardian ANY day of the week.
I'm aware of that, but the feats are there. Connor and Krypto both drew blood against him, and the only reason he shook reality is because of where he was at the time. Most of what he did was purely situational, aside from the planet pushing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you referring to when they're still trapped, and he's punching that wall? If not, scans?And? I asked for instances where he showed multiversal manipulation. Are those intended to be feats showing he can manipulate reality on a multiversal scale?Again is this when they're still trapped and he's punching the plot device wall.It also said that he was going to destroy the universe by blowing up Oa. Oa has been destroyed before iirc.
If I had a scanner, I would have posted them a while ago, Ill be back later.