blutack.
he could strap him in with adamantium for all it matters, the thing is to prevent him from getting leverage and breaking free of the asteroid.
maybe he'll just get Black Panther to sit on an asteroid and apply an arm bar to juggernaut indefinitely.
and anyway, as I said Juggernaut is not inifinte, he'll get his arse handed to him against a sufficiently enraged Hulk, a sundipped Superman or Surfer or any number of phenomenally powerful and/or near infinitely powerful beings.
Juggernaut is a fraction of the power of Cyttorak, who is himself a limited "god", thus < infinite.
as an aside, according to many here, Galactus >>> Cyttorak.
the Power Cosmic = ambiant universal energies = infinite (for the purposes of any "measurement" and comparison), thus any creature that can indefinitely channel the Power Cosmic has the ability to subdue juggernaut.
Superman or anything other physical opponent that cant matter manipulate or control magic to a high degree cant beat the juggernaut. Juggernaut will eventually get his magical fist on superman and that would be the end of the fight. Superman would try to trade blows with juggernaut (he has shown to do this his entire career) and that would leave a opening for juggernaut. Magneto, superman gets the majority, apocalypse superman gets the majority, juggernaut is a totally different story.
Superman would be bending adamantium in order to strap the Juggernaut down? Not to mention the fact, if he straps it to the asteroid, what exactly stop the Juggernaut from breaking the Asteroid itself?
The Juggernaut > Hulk. Superman can't hurt him. The Surfer can't physically hurt him either.
An avenue that has not yet been explored, however, is Torquasm Vo. It's possible that Superman could mentally subdue the Juggernaut.
even if Superman just stood there and +let+ Juggernaut wail on him, he still wouldn't do much, if anything, to Superman.
Juggernaut hitting Superman is of no consequence, what matters is if the more potent attacks of Magneto and Apocalypse can be deployed.
Superman is too fast for either of them. he would, imo, just heatvision Magneto to death before Magneto can react or put up his shield. if the shield is up, then he'd bfr him - chuck him into space, turn his attention onto Apocalypse and toast him with HV then flash freeze him with super breath (😖) and or otherwise just phuck with his matter manipulating body...
Apocalypse and Magneto are potent threats, Juggernaut's just laughable.
Originally posted by janus77
blutack.he could strap him in with adamantium for all it matters, the thing is to prevent him from getting leverage and breaking free of the asteroid.
maybe he'll just get Black Panther to sit on an asteroid and apply an arm bar to juggernaut indefinitely.
and anyway, as I said Juggernaut is not inifinte, he'll get his arse handed to him against a sufficiently enraged Hulk, a sundipped Superman or Surfer or any number of phenomenally powerful and/or near infinitely powerful beings.
Juggernaut is a fraction of the power of Cyttorak, who is himself a limited "god", thus < infinite.
as an aside, according to many here, Galactus >>> Cyttorak.
the Power Cosmic = ambiant universal energies = infinite (for the purposes of any "measurement" and comparison), thus any creature that can indefinitely channel the Power Cosmic has the ability to subdue juggernaut.
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You know nothing. War hulk was claimed to have infinite strength but juggernaut pushed him back 2 miles without straining. Mjlonir made galactus flee but juggernaut laughed when thor threw it at him. Thor hit juggernaut with one of the most powerful blast in marvel and juggernaut didnt feel anything, he almost walked through it but was temporarily stopped until the ground gave in. The point of that was that he still withstood the blast, didnt feel any of it.
Juggernaut, weak to magic was incinerated all the way down to the bone and it was no meat left, the guy still walked to the villian that did it and snapped his neck. Cannonball bounce off of juggernaut arm like he was an ant. Rogue punched juggernaut with enough force that it broke every glass in the city and he didnt even bulge or feel it and punched her to another city. Juggernaut on a regular basis is a team buster fighting the xmen, xforce, no telling who else and if he actually used his force field they would never win.
Juggernaut is the same being that has never been beaten in a physical confrontation, its always a telepath around. Juggernaut was stated when he was released from the cytorrak gem to be the being responsible for killing every living thing on the planet. Juggernaut is the being that has been stated by marvel to have unlimited strength and durability.
Read more on juggernaut before downing him.
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman would be bending adamantium in order to strap the Juggernaut down? Not to mention the fact, if he straps it to the asteroid, what exactly stop the Juggernaut from breaking the Asteroid itself?The Juggernaut > Hulk. Superman can't hurt him. The Surfer can't physically hurt him either.
An avenue that has not yet been explored, however, is Torquasm Vo. It's possible that Superman could mentally subdue the Juggernaut.
Hulk can just go on getting more and more powerful, nothing Juggernaut or Cyttorak can do about that.
anyway, that's an argument for another time/thread.
Juggernaut has been kept down by rubble, cement etc. War Hulk physically stopped him, Juggernaut can be physically strapped down by something or other... worst comes to it, Superman goes to NY and gets the cement from the same company Spiderman utilised 😛
Originally posted by carver9
😆You know nothing. War hulk was claimed to have infinite strength but juggernaut pushed him back 2 miles without straining. Mjlonir made galactus flee but juggernaut laughed when thor threw it at him. Thor hit juggernaut with one of the most powerful blast in marvel and juggernaut didnt feel anything, he almost walked through it but was temporarily stopped until the ground gave in. The point of that was that he still withstood the blast, didnt feel any of it.
Juggernaut, weak to magic was incinerated all the way down to the bone and it was no meat left, the guy still walked to the villian that did it and snapped his neck. Cannonball bounce off of juggernaut arm like he was an ant. Rogue punched juggernaut with enough force that it broke every glass in the city and he didnt even bulge or feel it and punched her to another city. Juggernaut on a regular basis is a team buster fighting the xmen, xforce, no telling who else and if he actually used his force field they would never win.
Juggernaut is the same being that has never been beaten in a physical confrontation, its always a telepath around. Juggernaut was stated when he was released from the cytorrak gem to be the being responsible for killing every living thing on the planet. Juggernaut is the being that has been stated by marvel to have unlimited strength and durability.
Read more on juggernaut before downing him.
Originally posted by janus77
even if Superman just stood there and +let+ Juggernaut wail on him, he still wouldn't do much, if anything, to Superman.Juggernaut hitting Superman is of no consequence, what matters is if the more potent attacks of Magneto and Apocalypse can be deployed.
Superman is too fast for either of them. he would, imo, just heatvision Magneto to death before Magneto can react or put up his shield. if the shield is up, then he'd bfr him - chuck him into space, turn his attention onto Apocalypse and toast him with HV then flash freeze him with super breath (😖) and or otherwise just phuck with his matter manipulating body...
Apocalypse and Magneto are potent threats, Juggernaut's just laughable.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596
Read and shut the hell up. Also pick up the book where juggernaut was wondering to the cytorrak tombs to retrieve his gem. In that same book it states the same thing that you just read off of that bio that juggernaut HAD unlimited strength and durability. Superman standing there taking his punches would end up with a dead superman. If doomsday can punch superman to death than juggernaut with his magical fist could do the same thing but a little faster since his fist is endowed in magic.
Originally posted by carver9
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596Read and shut the hell up. Also pick up the book where juggernaut was wondering to the cytorrak tombs to retrieve his gem. In that same book it states the same thing that you just read off of that bio that juggernaut HAD unlimited strength and durability. Superman standing there taking his punches would end up with a dead superman. If doomsday can punch superman to death than juggernaut with his magical fist could do the same thing but a little faster since his fist is endowed in magic.
it's idiotic, if that is actually sourced from a comic (though of course being idiotic does not invalidate a thing unfortunately).
Carver9, just learn to calm down a little, we're talking about blummin' comic book characters... your (wo)manhood is not on the line here.
and no thanks on the juggernaut comic thing, never felt anything but boredom at the sight of a juggernaut story... he's like a petulent younger brother... kinda makes me glad I was an only child 😄.
Originally posted by Soljer
It proves that all characters have low showings. Even ones with 'infinite' power.
still stands to reason that Juggernaut does not have infinite strength/durability and thus that it cannot be assumed (as you and carver9 assume) that Juggernaut cannot be hurt/killed.
Originally posted by janus77
and that was somehow pertinent because?still stands to reason that Juggernaut does not have infinite strength/durability and thus that it cannot be assumed (as you and carver9 assume) that Juggernaut cannot be hurt/killed.
You brought up the Juggernaut's low showings (Spidey trapping him in cement, for example) as if THEY were pertinent.
Beyond that, it has been stated that the Juggernaut can simply receive unlimited amounts of power from Cytorrak.
I brought that up not as a showing of Juggernaut's weakness but as a showing of the possibility of immobilising him for a spell.
unlimited amounts of power from Cyttorak, who is himself limited.
that's like an unlimited checkbook, you can write whatever size cheques you like, they won't bounce... unless of course there's nothing in the bank or the bank itself can't raise funds to the nominal value of the cheque.
again, it's simply incoherent thinking to say that Juggernaut has infinite strength/durability while at the same time attributing his powers to the charm which is fraction of Cyttorak's powers, which are themselves limited.
that's why The Hulk/universe thing is actually a viable answer... because a universe is the standard understanding for something "infinite" (we can't map it, can't quantify it etc etc ...).
Originally posted by janus77
what comic mentioned Juggernaut having unlimited strength/durability?it's idiotic, if that is actually sourced from a comic (though of course being idiotic does not invalidate a thing unfortunately).
Carver9, just learn to calm down a little, we're talking about blummin' comic book characters... your (wo)manhood is not on the line here.
and no thanks on the juggernaut comic thing, never felt anything but boredom at the sight of a juggernaut story... he's like a petulent younger brother... kinda makes me glad I was an only child 😄.
everyone on this forum know what juggernaut is capable of but you. there is no one on this forum that have been brought up that can beat the juggernaut physically. Learn that rule and bide by it. Juggernaut has never lost a physical confrontation and will never lose one unless someone is a tp (not current jugs). Superman aint physically doing anything to juggernaut, especially one that has his forcefield up. He could just lay down and let superman punch on him all day. What is superman going to do to a guy that thor hammer bounced off of.
Could superman do the same, stand still and let thor throw his hammer at him without moving. Wont be able to do that in his dreams. Classic Juggernauts durability>>>>superman durability.
again, Carver9 calm down. you're not really arguing over anything very important so don't need to get so passionate.
Juggernaut has his fanbase here and people do say things that, on the face of it, seem rather too hyperbolic.
War Hulk has stopped and tossed Juggernaut's arse. he may have done that with his own physical strength or it may have been augmented by Apocalypse' Celestial Tech, but it definitely was physical force.
you ever ask yourself why Juggernaut would have a forcefield anyway? if he is physically invulnerable?
even if Juggernaut's durability were greater than Superman's (which is something I doubt), it still doesn't mean he could take a pounding from Superman.
as the other thread points out, people do believe Superman's punches are potentially much greater than Thor's hammer throws.