Originally posted by Gideon
Explain that to me, Planet.
Yes, he is, in lightsaber combat that is. For starters, his speed is insane, here's a description:
'He waited until the last possible second before unleashing the energy bolted up inside of him in a tremendous rush of power. He channelled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world. In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak's hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through muscle, sinew and finally skin.'
For an instant none of the spectators [force users] was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see. - PoD, PG 170.
He was also beating Kas'im at the end of PoD, he only lost when Kas'im pulled out an unfamiliar form.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Seriously, sneaking up on a distracted Willum-who was never more than average and nkilling weakling Massassi isn't impressive.Moreover, Bane is weaker by far than Yoda and Palpatine...without Palpatine, the sith lose HARD, but with him, they win
Oss Wilum was labelled as 'exceptional', and he was hardly distracted.
And killing Massasi warriors (who were strong in the darkside, and who's weaker ancestors were capable of taking out ancient sith) with just your bare hands, in seconds is impressive.
That's cool. But, prove that he is more skilled than his Sith counterparts. Especially Palpatine. Palpatine moved faster than the Leia's eye could see (and her strength in the Force dwarfs any of the Sith present for Bane's fight) - and it was so intense that he generated waves of energy that killed nearby Imperial personnel (and they weren't even in the room with him).
Anyways, given the numbers of the opponents, as well as the skill of Yoda, Mace, and Anakin, I'd say that the Jedi could give the Sith hell in lightsaber combat - but they'd lose.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I think Jedi take Round 2.Mace focuses on Sids.
The others are 4 on two.
You know, you bring up a point. Aside from Luke (depending on which author is writing him) Mace Windu may very well be the most difficult Jedi for a dark side user to take on, given the circumstances of Vaapad.
Bears to think about.
That said, DE Sidious is too overwhelming for even Mace's skills, I think. But I could be wrong. Mace is underrated (and there's no reason that he should be).
Palpatine moved faster than the Leia's eye could see (and her strength in the Force dwarfs any of the Sith present for Bane's fight)
She has greater potential, but it is very much untapped. The sith who witnessed it (which included Kas'im) are very much more powerful with the force, Leia's an amateur by DE, she's been a jedi for like 5 minutes.
and it was so intense that he generated waves of energy that killed nearby Imperial personnel (and they weren't even in the room with him).
Source please. Also, Bane taps into much more of his potential after this point until the end of PoD. But if what you said is correct, then sure, I won't deny that Palpatine is faster as he clearly would be.
Originally posted by GideonDE Palpatine in force power, yes. But in sabers?
You know, you bring up a point. Aside from Luke (depending on which author is writing him) Mace Windu may very well be the most difficult Jedi for a dark side user to take on, given the circumstances of Vaapad.Bears to think about.
That said, DE Sidious is too overwhelming for even Mace's skills, I think. But I could be wrong. Mace is underrated (and there's no reason that he should be).
I have to say, I see no chance of the Sith winning in saber combat at all.
Obi-Wan is not going down to ANYONE quickly in a pure saber fight, he is just too damn good defensively. Yoda needs no explanation, he's just amazing. Anakin is possibly on par with Mace and in/ VERY close to being in the same league as Yoda in saber combat.
In a pure saber fight, I could see Anakin actually beating both Yoda and or Mace say 4-5 times out of 10. Then you have Mace who's Vaapad is possibly the hardest style for any Darksider to counter, as well as being just pure outright amazing with a lightsaber, PLUS the fact that other then Palpatine, the other two Sith don't even know what Vaapad is. With all this, the Sith have some serious problems on they're hands.
The fact that there are three extremly amazing saber prodigies and the best practitioner of Soresu (possibly ever), but at the very least of his era, and given the fact that the Sith are outnumbered, I don't see any chance of the Sith winning in a pure saber battle.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
DE Palpatine in force power, yes. But in sabers?
RotS Sidious was able to give Mace hell in lightsaber combat. DE Sidious has improved considerably - younger body, he's faster, more refined, ect. Mace has a good chance of beating him, though, due to Vaapad and his Shatterpoint skills.
But it's not a guarenteed victory for Mace.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Oss Wilum was labelled as 'exceptional', and he was hardly distracted.
And killing Massasi warriors (who were strong in the darkside, and who's weaker ancestors were capable of taking out ancient sith) with just your bare hands, in seconds is impressive.
And you mean they 'backstabbed random Sith' and when were Massassi strong ever?
The only one the Jedi stand even the slightest chance in is lightsaber combat. I still don't think they will win though. Sidious is strong enough to take on Obi-wan, Anakin, and Obi-wan, and win, before Mace is able to take down Bane and Yoda is able to take down Exar. Simply put, Sidious is well beyond anyone here, even in saber combat. Replace him with any other Sith and their chances drop significantly, but as long as he's around they will win.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
The only one the Jedi stand even the slightest chance in is lightsaber combat. I still don't think they will win though. Sidious is strong enough to take on Obi-wan, Anakin, and Obi-wan, and win, before Mace is able to take down Bane and Yoda is able to take down Exar. Simply put, Sidious is well beyond anyone here, even in saber combat. Replace him with any other Sith and their chances drop significantly, but as long as he's around they will win.
Have you posted on the Trade Fed cruiser vs. Star Destroyer thread, yet? You're the running scholar of Imperial military might, so maybe you could make a final pronouncement on it. 😛
Originally posted by Gideon
Have you posted on the Trade Fed cruiser vs. Star Destroyer thread, yet? You're the running scholar of Imperial military might, so maybe you could make a final pronouncement on it. 😛
Yeah, I made the 12th post. I think it would take at least 3 Lucrehulks to have a reasonable chance of success of taking down an ISD 1-Class. Against a ISD2-Class it would take at least 4 or 5 for a reasonable chance of victory. Anyway, one-on-one, a Lucrehulk stands absolutely no chance of taking down any model of ISD, save divine intervention.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yeah, I made the 12th post. I think it would take at least 3 Lucrehulks to have a reasonable chance of success of taking down an ISD 1-Class. Against a ISD2-Class it would take at least 4 or 5 for a reasonable chance of victory. Anyway, one-on-one, a Lucrehulk stands absolutely no chance of taking down any model of ISD, save divine intervention.
What about an Eclipse-Class or Executor-Class?
And what kind of cruiser did General Grievous use as his flagship?
Yes he was, in the Freedon Nadd Uprising.
http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=024
And controlling the beasts isn't a continuous thing, when Sylvar snuck up on him and knocked him over, he was simply just watching the events unfold.
And the Massasi were strong.
http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=085
http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=086
Originally posted by Gideon
What about an Eclipse-Class or Executor-Class?And what kind of cruiser did General Grievous use as his flagship?
Well, the Eclipse would just waste a huge number of them. It gets kind of hard to say an exact number when it gets this big, but I would imagine it taking 6 or 7 dozen. The Executor would probably take a good 5 dozen at least.
GG's ship was a modified Providence-class vessel.