Originally posted by doan_m
That depends. If the borg decide to jump into the battle immediately there as good as dead against the CIS. If they do however chose to land on a backwater planet, and adapt star wars tech in their systems from there and work their way up then Borg would be capable of standing up against the CIS.Everybody else is simply no contest for the Borg.
generally i think high-end startrek tech is way above high-end starwars tech. the vhong has the best tech in star wars universe which is only intergalactic faring, while startrek has the similarly intergalactic and supposedly omnipotent Q, and the inter dimensional species 8472. The borg alone would beat anything in the starwars EU.
Originally posted by bloodoverme
generally i think high-end startrek tech is way above high-end starwars tech. the vhong has the best tech in star wars universe which is only intergalactic faring, while startrek has the similarly intergalactic and supposedly omnipotent Q, and the inter dimensional species 8472. The borg alone would beat anything in the starwars EU.
Q are the most powerful beings i ewer seen, but i haven seen all movies, maybe they are some more powerful, but i doubt it.
Originally posted by bloodoverme
generally i think high-end startrek tech is way above high-end starwars tech. the vhong has the best tech in star wars universe which is only intergalactic faring, while startrek has the similarly intergalactic and supposedly omnipotent Q, and the inter dimensional species 8472. The borg alone would beat anything in the starwars EU.
Q is an absolute moot point. Were he so uber he wouldnt have gotten punched by Ben Sisko. Or at least some would have think he used his precog to avoid it. Species 8472 has just about the lousiest numbers ever. Not a very good industrial capacity in contrast to the federation. So bad that when voyager invaded there part of the galaxy a mere 4 ships were sent for interception. To add on to numbers the highest ever reported number of 8472 ships was 133 ships. Small fries in the SW galaxy. And the borg alone if it were taken into direct confrontation would be dead in heartbeat, thats why I suggested back water planets. Otherwise they would be dead. The methods of on the spot adaptations are a problem to as thier shields are frequency based. Something that SW weaponry does not have. Borg ships are also incapable of adapting to physical impactors.
Originally posted by doan_m
Q is an absolute moot point. Were he so uber he wouldnt have gotten punched by Ben Sisko. Or at least some would have think he used his precog to avoid it. Species 8472 has just about the lousiest numbers ever. Not a very good industrial capacity in contrast to the federation. So bad that when voyager invaded there part of the galaxy a mere 4 ships were sent for interception. To add on to numbers the highest ever reported number of 8472 ships was 133 ships. Small fries in the SW galaxy. And the borg alone if it were taken into direct confrontation would be dead in heartbeat, thats why I suggested back water planets. Otherwise they would be dead. The methods of on the spot adaptations are a problem to as thier shields are frequency based. Something that SW weaponry does not have. Borg ships are also incapable of adapting to physical impactors.
i wasnt actually talking about Q the individual played by john de lancie, i was talking about the entire Q continuum. Q being punched by sisko is CIS. the Q have subdued a poweful being called 0 (zero) who cah create blackholes and prevented him from threatening the milkyway again by placing a barrier over the entire galaxy which they would keep until such time as other beings could stand against zero without assistance from the Q. a Q child plays around with the borg and during the Q civil war they were detonating stars by the hundreds.
species 8472 was defeated by PIS. they are immune to assimilation and two ships were able to destroy several borg cubes in seconds. the weapons of eight bioships can be linked with that of a larger ninth bioship of modified design; the collective weapon thus formed can destroy an entire planet in seconds.
greater numbers doesnt give you the win as seen in the clone wars when the republic beat the trade federation and its allies, besides, starwars was only able to produce 2 death stars and 1 suncrusher.
and the main question was what army can beat the other army not what army can beat the entire star wars galaxy. no single government whether empire, old republic, new republic or the vhong would be able to stand against the borg much less species 8472 or the Q.
Originally posted by bloodoverme
i wasnt actually talking about Q the individual played by john de lancie, i was talking about the entire Q continuum. Q being punched by sisko is CIS.
species 8472 was defeated by PIS. they are immune to assimilation and two ships were able to destroy several borg cubes in seconds.
Borg Cubes act as the uber beings in thier respective universe. However when placed in a galaxy which has the upper hand in firepower yields. They no longer possess such capabilities anymore.
And as I said before, the methods of which Borg Cube adaptation on the battlefield works is death by NDF
A naval ship armed with sufficient amounts of turbolasers may glass the surface of a planet rending it entirely lifeless in a few hours. Hell a mere star destroyer by itself was capable of doing such a feat. Bottom line is that SW firepower yields are magnitudes higher then that of ST. A voyager torpedo is calced at around 64 megatons of energy. While SW turbolasers are calced at around 10-15 gigatons of energy as a generous low end estimate. In other words, being more powerful then a borg cube means nothing in the SW galaxy.
the weapons of eight bioships can be linked with that of a larger ninth bioship of modified design; the collective weapon thus formed can destroy an entire planet in seconds.
To add on to that even if it were truly a planet killing weapon that is not chain reaction based as it says, when a fleet of of bioships does encounter a CIS fleet, for every planet killing shot that 8472 shoots out, one can expect that there will be an even greater salvo of turbolaser's and ion cannons raining down on the bioships ready to make charred meat out of the likes of thier enemies.
greater numbers doesn't give you the win as seen in the clone wars when the republic beat the trade federation and its allies,
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The margins for both the republic and the CIS sides were extremely low. At the moment CIS armies were at a disadvantage since they could just simply be given an order or forced to be shut off. However, when it comes to something like 8472, CIS are MAGNITUDES greater in number then that of what 8472 is packing.starwars was only able to produce 2 death stars and 1 suncrusher.
Add in the World Crushers, multiplying monstrosities which consume a planets mass to convert it into more World Crushers, the Galaxy gun which shoots long distance FTL planet killing missiles across the galaxy, An acclamator, is also capable of glassing an entire planet into oblivion(not as effectively as the ISD), Eclipse and Sovereign-class Star Destroyers both have thier own compact superlaser also capable of what is described as being able to "sear continents off the planet" and "crack a planets crust". Finally add in Darth Sidious himself who infamously ignited a force storm which consumed an entire fleet. With all the absurd amounts of Planet killing going on its pretty much standard for any planets to have thier own planetary shields.
and the main question was what army can beat the other army not what army can beat the entire star wars galaxy.
no single government whether empire, old republic, new republic or the vhong would be able to stand against the borg much less species 8472 or the Q.