Wow, so you're a Morgukai fanboy too, huh? 😂
Now as skilled as Morgukai are, they're not jedi, one wouldn't be able to defend against 30 blaster wielding opponents; they don't have superhuman speed or reflexes, their cortosis armour won't be able to properly defend against blasterfire of this magnitude...
Now here's the Morgukai's best bet: to charge in with his staff ready, maybe take a few thugs out with some of his disks, but he would eventually get overwhelmed by 30 people firing at him with blasters. There's no way an average Morgukai could pull this off, there's no way that a strong Morgukai like Bok or Tsyr would be able to pull this off, you're wrong.
Morgukai have shown themselves to be skilled as Jedi.
Only dueling wise, and that's because of their cortosis weaponry and armour. Against blaster wielding opponents, they're nothing compared to the Jedi.
They get their reflexes from intense training....
I'm sure their reflexes would be great, top notch in fact, but they still can't use the force, there's a limit to how good their reflexes would be, they don't quite have jedi reflexes. To say that they would be able to block or dodge the kind of blasterfire they would be receiving in this scenario is preposterous.
oh, and I'm sure thirty guys can fire accurately anf not slaughter one another when a Morgukai's among them. Are they standing in an even row, I have to ask?
You make it sound as if these thugs are completely unskilled. They're not. Black Sun was the largest and most powerful criminal organisation at the time, a Vigo would be one of the most powerful and important men in the criminal underworld, to even imply that a Vigo's personal and closest bodyguards would be unskilled is a joke. I'm sorry, but any Morgukai would lose this.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Only dueling wise, and that's because of their cortosis weaponry and armour. Against blaster wielding opponents, they're nothing compared to the Jedi.
I'm sure their reflexes would be great, top notch in fact, but they still can't use the force, there's a limit to how good their reflexes would be, they don't quite have jedi reflexes. To say that they would be able to block or dodge the kind of blasterfire they would be receiving in this scenario is preposterous.
You make it sound as if these thugs are completely unskilled. They're not. Black Sun was the largest and most powerful criminal organisation at the time, a Vigo would be one of the most powerful and important men in the criminal underworld, to even imply that a Vigo's personal and closest bodyguards would be unskilled is a joke. I'm sorry, but any Morgukai would lose this.
This is why the clones were doing that damn well on Saleucami?
How about just plain armor?
So? Most of Black sun's average thugs were jokes
Originally posted by darthsith19
He never stated that they wern't good enough to take a Clone, only that they are nothing compared to Jedi!
If armor protected everyone from blaster bolts then all the Separatists would just don armor.
Proof? or is that just an assumption. 😐
Again: The Morgukai we've seen have done a decent job agains tthe Jedi. Tsyr and Ma'Kiss was equals
Tsyr and Bok wore pretty decent armor, remember. It seems standard for the Morgukai.
Ever read Shadows of the Empire? Most of them are street thugs, that's it
Originally posted by darthsith19
So we have the strongest Morgukai Warrior being on par with an avg. Jedi. That doesn't mean Morgukai Warriors are as strong as Jedi.
What did their armor do that was so impressive?
Just look at them in the comic: Nothing impressive to be seen at all minus the Vigo body guards. People like Czethros? Recruiting wastrels like anja Gallandro? Darth Maul Shadow Hunter, with the Hutt vigo's men? Durga's troops? Crimson Empire 2? Those are not what we call the elites of the world
Yes I have. Page number?
Re: One Morgukai Warrior vs. 30 Black Sun Thugs
This is why the clones were doing that damn well on Saleucami?
1. I don't remember the clones doing particularly badly, or the Morgukai doing anything special. What I do remember, though, is the jedi being able to take on multiple Morgukai at once, and Bok himself getting outclassed and pwned by Aayla without a lightsaber.
2. The Morgukai weren't outnumbered on Saleucami like they are in this scenario.
3. These Morgukai are hardly average. Not only did they possess the DNA of on of the top Morgukais (Bok), but they were also Anzati trained. An average Morgukai wouldn't be quite as strong as the clones featured in the comic, and it's not as if the clones were godly anyway.
How about just plain armor?
An average Morgukai wouldn't be covered head to toe in cortosis armour, and it's not exactly hard to destroy cortosis alloy, with enough pressure exerted (from blasterfire), the alloy could easily be worn away. The Morgukai would be simply far too outnumbered in this scenario.
So? Most of Black sun's average thugs were jokes
Read the original post given by the thread creator!
Originally posted by darthsith19
An avg. Morgukai Warrior. The Thugs resembleDarnada's thugs (from the Darth Maul comics) so for the most part they are armed with blasters. Who wins?
These aren't just random Black Sun thugs, these are Black Sun thugs on par with those who served as the closest and personal bodyguards to a Black Sun Vigo, hardly average.
Tholme is quite an exceptional Jedi, actually
It's Cortosis Weave....blaster and saber resistant
Just look at them in the comic: Nothing impressive to be seen at all minus the Vigo body guards. People like Czethros? Recruiting wastrels like anja Gallandro? Darth Maul Shadow Hunter, with the Hutt vigo's men? Durga's troops? Crimson Empire 2? Those are not what we call the elites of the world
Just to reinforce my last point, just check this, you can quite clearly see that the cortosis armour in no way prevents the Morgukai at the top left getting blasted back like a little b1tch.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Probably because those are the mass produced Morgukai
These 'mass produced Morgukai' possessed the same DNA as Bok, and they were trained very well in both the Morgukai and Anzati arts.
and where is that blast killing him?
That's not the point, my point was that the cortosis armour doesn't make them immune to the effects of blasterfire.
1. They are not covered head to toe in the cortosis armour, there are many gaps in the armour, and their head is left completely uncovered. I love how you try to downplay Bane's orbalisk armour as much as you can, yet in this case, you try to pass the cortosis armour off as infallible. Fanboy much?
2. Cortosis ore (especially) and alloy are extremely brittle, it wouldn't take too much to destroy the armour through impact.
3. Even though cortosis is resistant to heat and energy, it doesn't defend its user from impact.
Tsyr was able to take Tholme head on with his weapons
1. Tsyr isn't quite an average Morgukai.
2. Again, they are able to keep up with Jedi (and that's if a jedi doesn't use the force offensively), but that that's only because of their weaponry and armour, they simply can't fight as effectively against other foes like a jedi can. No Morgukai would win this.
Originally posted by Sexyback
These 'mass produced Morgukai' possessed the same DNA as Bok, and they were trained very well in both the Morgukai and Anzati arts.
That's not the point, my point was that the cortosis armour doesn't make them immune to the effects of blasterfire.1. They are not covered head to toe in the cortosis armour, there are many gaps in the armour, and their head is left completely uncovered. I love how you try to downplay Bane's orbalisk armour as much as you can, yet in this case, you try to pass the cortosis armour off as infallible. Fanboy much?
2. Cortosis ore (especially) and alloy are extremely brittle, it wouldn't take too much to destroy the armour through impact.
3. Even though cortosis is resistant to heat and energy, it doesn't defend its user from impact.
1. Tsyr isn't quite an average Morgukai.
2. Again, they are able to keep up with Jedi (and that's if a jedi doesn't use the force offensively), but that that's only because of their weaponry and armour, they simply can't fight as effectively against other foes like a jedi can. No Morgukai would win this.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Their lifespan consisted of literally weeks
Proof for this? And even then, they still adapted quickly to their Anzati training, shown here, and it's pretty clear that they were quick learners of the Morgukai arts too, considering Aayla believed one of the clones to fight just like Bok did (who has been an practitioner of the Mortugai arts for years), as shown here.
PRobably because the flaws in Bane's armor is readily apparent from his own thoughts?
Nice excuse, but that doesn't change the fact that Bane's armour protects him much better than cortosis armour does a Morgukai.
And again, I doubt Black Sun thugs are going to be able to shoot too straight
These aren't just Black Sun thugs, these are thugs based off of the ones that were the Vigo Darnada's personal and closest bodyguards, they would hardly be unskilled.
The Morgukai can't take impact now?
Not the impact they would be receiving from almost 30 blaster wielding opponents. The impact would also prevent them the Morgukai from being able to do anything, and would also leave him extremely vulnerable.
And Tholme's not an average Jedi.
Sure, but he's hardly the most energetic one either.
And I'm sure their skill has NOTHING to do with it?
Skill has a lot to do with it, but the point is, being able to keep up with jedi in melee combat doesn't make them as good as jedi against other foes.