Post-KotOR Revan vs. Darth Bane or Exar Kun

With his strength returned, his philosophy determined, and his dark side powers enhanced and improved, Darth Bane subjugated a flying beast and used it to travel from Dxun to Onderon.

He would find an apprentice.

The legacy would live on.

Eventually, the sith would have their revenge.

Can an outside source confirm this? And still it doesn't say he did shit to the moon, anther simple implication with nothing stating he did shit.

Fact: Before Darth Bane came across the orbalisk armour, he was incredibly fast, shown through various feats in PoD .

Fact: The orbalisks only made him faster.

Orbalisk Bane is not slow, you have no case.

Look above your post retard.

However, he was still weak from the orbalisks originally infesting him, and was still getting used to the armour.

Feeling invincible , Bane stood, brushing the shreds of his uniform away, feeling the hard plate of the orbalisks.

A huh.

They were not the same beast, the DSSB stated that this was a beast of the dark side, and one of the strongest of them.

Quote please.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/435643_1-proof-that-bane-did-pull-a-moon-out-of-orbit

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Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
The fact that Bane would have gotten torn apart by a damn bird had it not been for his amour speaks volumes for the decrease of speed.

Originally posted by darthsith19
"Bane slashed with his lightsaber, but the flying creature raked sideways with its dangling talons"
No, it doesn't have to do with his speed but the fact that the bird dodged the blade. Speeking for the bird's speed and not a decrease in speed for Bane.

Oh yeah some random bird flying on Dxun being faster then Bane who at one point moved "faster then the eye can see." is a real reflection on the bird not Bane who has 100's of sea shells stuck to him.🙄 that the text even says slows him down. Then you have the fact he couldn't even dodge the birds attacks which was the point in the first place.

You = Wrong. Try again.

Sea Shells as Planet so eloquently puts it is a "Slow piece of shit."

Again, he was getting used to the armour, and was still weakened from his ordeal. It's a fact that the orbalisk armour made him faster; the adrenaline, dark side energies and strength being pumped into him more than makes up for a bit of added weight, and considering Bane's never had a problem with using the force to augment his speed by a frightening degree before, some orbalisk armour is hardly going to make a difference.

Revan would fail to defeat either of these opponents, he's just not as powerful.

Feeling invincible , Bane stood, brushing the shreds of his uniform away, feeling the hard plate of the orbalisks.

A huh.

"Revan would fail to defeat either of these opponents, he's just not as powerful."

Care to prove that.

Oh yeah some random bird flying on Dxun being faster then Bane who at one point moved "faster then the eye can see."

that the text even says slows him down.

Then you have the fact he couldn't even dodge the birds attacks which was the point in the first place.

1. He was 'feeling invincible' because he had basically come to the conclusion that nothing could physically hurt him due to his new armour, this is purely in respect to his toughness and conditioning, it says nothing about whether he was at full strength or not, just that he was pretty much immune to physical damage.

2. Arguments have already been made, the fact is, there's no reason to assume that Revan is above either of them; not fact or logical deduction, so he loses by default. How about you provide a case.

Why not? Some big, fast bird, I don't see why it couldn't move that fast.

So random birds are faster then Sith Lords... 🙄

Where does it say that? Quote, please.

'As much as the added weight of the orbalisks originally slowed Bane down, he soon realised that the adrenaline and dark side energies pumped into his body more than made up for this disadvantage'.

He didn't try to dodge it, though, he tried to kill it and it merely moved out of the way.

He couldn't dodge the slash of the birds talons.

1. He was 'feeling invincible' because he had basically come to the conclusion that nothing could physically hurt him due to his new armour, this is purely in respect to his toughness and conditioning, it says nothing about whether he was at full strength or not, just that he was pretty much immune to physical damage.

I love how Planet = Sea Shells now...

Though the barnacle-like creatures were feeding on him, growing to cover more of his skin surface, the parasites were also pumping him with adrenaline and strength. This was a symbiotic relationship based on dark side energies, and now - - after he had absorbed the knowledge within the Sith holocron - - Darth Bane knew there would be enough dark side power for them all.

This happened before the fight with the bird, he absorbed the holocron, had adrenaline pumping, dark side flowing and is still a slow piece of shit.

2. Arguments have already been made, the fact is, there's no reason to assume that Revan is above either of them; not fact or logical deduction, so he loses by default. How about you provide a case.

Um who made these arguments and where did you or anyone else counter them? Then general consensus is Revan> the both of them, but thats irrelevant, next post I will.

So random birds are faster then Sith Lords... roll eyes (sarcastic)

'As much as the added weight of the orbalisks originally slowed Bane down, he soon realised that the adrenaline and dark side energies pumped into his body more than made up for this disadvantage'.

He couldn't dodge the slash of the birds talons.

Post KOTOR Revan > Sea Shells

Revan has a stronger force connection:

Revan's connection is constantly being described as uber to the maxX7 Right Guard power band. Mater Dorak and Vandar said that Revan has one of the strongest connections to the force they've ever seen. His name is synonymous with power. He was called the heart of the force. Ajunta Pal when he looked upon Revan described the power he saw as "blinding". You could literally SEE the force swirling around Revan as Jolee said.

He was so powerful in the force not even the combined efforts of the Jedi council could keep his mind suppressed. Revan had such control and power in the force that he literally ripped an entire dialect system out of an entire species head, the proceeded to "force" Basic into the whole races minds. If he could toy with the minds of force sensitives (The Rataka Elders) so easily he could apply the same thing to destroying the brain. The Chronicles describe his dark side power as tremendous.

Darth Bane himself, literally crapped his pants in fear of the shit Revan knew, He himself was scared of the dark power and rituals Revan had under his command as a Dark Lord, he even said he wouldn't DARE ATTEMPT half the things Revan knew.

Vandar describes him as a prodigy, he had more knowledge of the Force then Bane could ever dream of:

Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith - The Chronicles

Revan was the strongest Sith in an order of hundreds, in turn he was the strongest Jedi in an order of hundreds

He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side.

He overpowered and feed on a planet drenched in the dark side a planet so powerful it broke Kreia:

she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force. - The Chronicles

Revan according to Brianna (The Handmaiden) had the most powerful Battle Precognition the Galaxy had seen to that point, more powerful then the strongest of the Echani who could see MONTHS into the future and see battles before they even happened.

Then we have the fact that in Path of Destruction Revan is mentioned along side Exar Kun and Naga Sadow (they had no idea his feats were done by Amulet and ship) as the most power Sith, He is what Bane strives to be like.

Revan has beaten Malak on the Star Forge twice while he was being described by the databank as near invincible, and subsequently beat your girl the "force juggernaut" Bastila WHILE she was being pumped by the Star Foge FOUR TIMES. He beat Uthar Wynn and Yuthura, destroyed the Academy on Korriban. And he must have been physically extremely strong as well since he beat Madalore in hand to hand combat according to NEC.

He was also described as stronger as a Jedi then his tenure as Dark Lord (the version Bane pissed his pants over) then he REGAINS his knowledge from his run as a DOTS thus doubling his power.

Revan > Sea Shells

]You have no idea what kind of bird that was, but ubviously it was fast if it evaded a lightsaber swing.

Uh huh, pray tell when Dxun started producing uber birds capable of moving faster then Sith who have been stated to move faster then the eye can see, Or maybe in all likeliness Sea Shells is a slow piece of shit.

Was that in PoD?

Apparently its in the DSSB, Planet posted it

He didn't try to.

Because he couldn't it happened to fast, once the bird dodges Sea Shells, he attacks and Sea Shells could do nothing, at the time he didn't know the Orbalisks were impenetrable, so he would have dodged if he could have.

Uh huh, pray tell when Dxun started producing uber birds capable of moving faster then Sith who have been stated to move faster then the eye can see, Or maybe in all likeliness Sea Shells is a slow piece of shit.

Apparently its in the DSSB, Planet posted it

Because he couldn't it happened to fast, once the bird dodges Sea Shells, he attacks and Sea Shells could do nothing, at the time he didn't know the Orbalisks were impenetrable, so he would have dodged if he could have.

I would say that passage with the bird means very little.

Bane was not even shown trying.

If I was wearing armour that makes me virtually invincible and which also pumps adrenaline into my system (theoretically making me tons more physically capable) and defeated one of the greatest duelists of my time, and a giant bird attacks me, I would say feck it. Let the little dipshit try and hurt me, I am not giving it the dignity of a dodge.

Ok...

So Bane and Revan learn fractions of the Ancient Sith's power, and now they can wtfpwn the creators of their techniques?

I'm sorry, but that's completely ridiculous.

Feat wars do NOT decide a characters strength.

Alot of your arguments are based on an analysis from the people viewing Revan's power from HIS timeline.

I still don't understand, then, why Kreia who was most confident in Revan, would say that the Ancient's would make their Jedi/Sith of her time (which is Revan's) make them look like Children with toys.

As far as evidence goes...DE Sidious IS the STRONGEST SITH of ALL TIME.

The ancients have no evidence, they should not be ranked in terms power, because they can be the strongest or weakest. Use speculation if you wish, but that is not a basis for an argument.

Yeah, according to the DE sourcebook, Sidious is "the most powerful Sith Lord ever", and the Ancient Sith lords confess that he has surpassed any of them.

Edit: By the way, the Ancient Sith have been taken down a few pegs due to lack of conclusive evidence and their reliance on technology (amulets, star ships, ect).

So Bane and Revan learn fractions of the Ancient Sith's power, and now they can wtfpwn the creators of their techniques?

Pretty Much

I'm sorry, but that's completely ridiculous.

According to you

Feat wars do NOT decide a characters strength.

Tell me when an ancient is described as blinding

Alot of your arguments are based on an analysis from the people viewing Revan's power from HIS timeline.

All of those people save Malak were around during the Great Sith War, and have seen the likes of Ulic, Exar, Nomi and such and they still say Revan = Leet

I still don't understand, then, why Kreia who was most confident in Revan, would say that the Ancient's would make their Jedi/Sith of her time (which is Revan's) make them look like Children with toys.

And then an actual Ancient Ajunta Pal, was overwhelmed by Revans raw power and described it as blinding, so yeah Ajunta Pal > Kreia.

As far as evidence goes...DE Sidious IS the STRONGEST SITH of ALL TIME.

And this has anything to do with this topic...Where do you see Sidious's name mentioned in the topic title? Where do you see me say Revan > Sidious? Use your head before you post genius.

The ancients have no evidence, they should not be ranked in terms power, because they can be the strongest or weakest. Use speculation if you wish, but that is not a basis for an argument.

What speculation? Where are the ancients even mentioned aside from the Ajunta Pal saying Revan was teh leet, this is in fact the same man who helped conquer the original Sith species, where according to Evil Never Dies Sith Dynasties the Sith themselves thought them to be stronger then the likes of King Adas. Again use your head.

Yeah, according to the DE sourcebook, Sidious is "the most powerful Sith Lord ever", and the Ancient Sith lords confess that he has surpassed any of them.

And this is relevant because?

You say "sae shells" is slow based solely on the fact that Bane failed to hit one bird with his lightsaber. That is terrible proof, has he every otherwise been shown to be slow besides that one instant? If not then it is more likely than not it was the bird who had great speed and not Bane who was slow.

No, I base that on the fact that thats the ONLY time we see Sea Shells Bane with his dumb armour one (I hate you KJA) and from faster then the eye can see to, I can't dodge a bird.

DSSB? Oh yeah, and the quote says they originally slowed him donw, meaning later on he got his speed back, which would be him in his prime, which is what he is in this thread.

And he notes the adrenaline being pumped into his system LONG before the duel.

He knew that they were strong enough to click a lightsaber so surely he knew they added alot of protection and he likely was more focused on striking it with his blade than evading it. Though it does seem that he was originally slowed down by the Orbalisks, but he wasn't slow, just not as fast, and later he get just as fast as he used to be. But he wasn't slow, and who knows how fast the bird was moving, if it was like a meter away from him and was flying 30 MPH (that's possible) it's cover the distance in .07 seconds, that's fast.

Yeah thats why after the slash he touches the Sea Shells and feels invincible, noting that maybe in his crazed, adrenaline pumped state he didn't notice the sea shells and is in fact slow. He may not be that slow but compared to a Jedi its slow.