Proof that Bane DID pull a moon out of orbit!!

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Those were not in reference to DE Sidious they were in reference to all past incarnations and the two that weren't from that direct time period are speaking in the past tense.

Bullshit, none of the quotes saying that Palpatine was the most powerful ever directly refer to any PT incarnation of Sidious, if you disagree, provide a word for word explanation on how the quotes you provided that do that refer to RotS Sidious. The only quotes that refer to PT Sidious are ones that only prove that he was the most powerful of his time, not ever.

Yoda has restricted the Darkside of the planet Dagobah to a single spot

Wow, so did Thon. Is Thon more powerful than Bane? Don't be ridiculous Lightsnake, this feat is minor compared to the stuff that force titans like Bane can do.

has achieves legions of triumph against the Dark Side.

You know, this is the kind of vague bs which proves that you have no case.

Your argument would only be valid if Yoda tried to pull a moon out of orbit and failed.

No, my argument is perfectly valid, Yoda has never displayed the kind of strength with the force that Bane has (pulling a moon out of orbit is a testament to this) in situations where it would be beneficial and almost necessary.

Now quit with the vague unsubstantiated bs, and provide a proper case for Yoda.

Proof Thon did so? Oh, wait....

And vague stuff? I'm unaware how having legions of triumphs is vague...

Anf Yoda's lifted up capital ships and mountainsides. Sorry, but how much power do you need to pull a moon now? More power than that? And last I checked: Size matters not.

Yoda's bound an entire dark side nexus to one spot- more than Thon did, btw....accordin to PoD it was 'The Jedi'....as in more than one

Yoda's had 900 years of practice and ability, studying numerous levels of the Force and mastering defenses against the Sith's own techniques from their holocrons, he's the strongest foe the Darkness had ever known and more than on par with Palpatine, bane's superior.
In saber skills? He has an uncanny danger sense surpassing most other Jedi, he's shown the ability to surpass three Masters working in conjunction, destroy armies on his own, bring down mountainsides with the form, destroy large amounts of droids with the twitch of a finger, defeat an experienced Sith Lord, the strongest of the Lost Twenty, while distracted and saving a woman on a world steepled in the Dark Side...he can deflect lightning with his bare hands, which is 'almost impossible, even for skilled Jedi Masters,' and if you forgot that Rostoni discussion on SW.com earlier this year, it may very well have been a young Yoda who offs Bane...he's killed Sith before, remember?

C'mon, what's Bane shown? Oooooh, great telekenisi. Wow! Wait...that's it? Nothing else? Oh,r ight, he's directly surpassed in power by Palpatine, who HEritage of the Sith calls the culmination of power and tradition in over a thousand years. Huh! And how the strongest of Bane's order was Darth Sidious? WOW!

Wait, silly me...yoiu're a fanboy, a fool and a liar and this forum knows it

Wow...lol, pwned.

Oh god, we're entering the 'Age of Bane.'

What is tDSSB? And I'm confused - didn't Bane get Rain as his apprentice before he got his Orbalisk armor?

DSSB is the dark side source book

lightsnake, yoda said size matters not to clear lukes doubts, had it been so easy as what yoda said then i think sith lords and jedis would have been tossing stars and planets at each other.

And planet.

Dan wallace confirmed that ROTS sidious is already the most powerful sith lord in history, The NEC clearly stated this

Kadesh, the NEC is an in-universe source, in other words it's fallible.

The NEC might be in universe, but the DSB and the Ultimate Visual Guides are not. Not to mention there is SUFFICIENT proof that at least by DE, Sidious is the top dog by a long margin.

I disagree.

The NEC is in-universe, the DSSB argument was flawed, and there's nothing about that in the Ultimate Visual Guide either to my knowledge.

And going by feats, Nihilus is above Sidious imo, and Bane isn't too far behind, and will most likely surpass him soon, considering everything he's done, at the age of 26, and with less than three years experience studying the darkside.

Get the DE sourcebook or whatever it is. Lightsnake has given me way too much proof and logical arguments for me to think anyone is close to DE Sidious, and I am a Ragnos fan. And your argument is too flawed for me to nitpick at it right now, it's New Year's day so I'll get to it later.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I'm confused - didn't Bane get Rain as his apprentice [b]before he got his Orbalisk armor? [/B]

Basically, he found Rain at the end of the Battle of Ruusan, and arranged for her to wait for him in Onderon, and he then went off to Dxun.

You cannot base ONE argument on a single quote.

An quote from an omniscient narrator proclaiming Ragnos as the most of the most powerful is just as sufficient, it's contradictory with the book and comic being on equal level of canon.

Opinions of Lucas is what matters the most, that and substantiated evidence placed together from both sides determines a victor.

In many cases the Ancients have no information therefore cannot be compared fairly against Sidious.

Stop with the Sidious owns all BS, of the known and valid sources he is the best, it does not mean he better than the Sith lords that are relatively unknown.

From the available evidence, he is the best choice, however.

Deception, is this what you resort to, now? Since you can't logically fellate Ragnos anymore without being debunked, you have to try to undermine our argument instead of providing one of your own? That's a legitimate tactic, I suppose, but a cheap one. This is a debate. Simply because you lack the evidence to make a strong case for Ragnos doesn't mean that we have to conclude: "oh, he can't be compared fairly against Sidious" and just dismiss it. For all intents and purposes, Sidious is more powerful than the Ancient Sith. Period.

Just one thing, Ragnos was called the most powerful stih of HIS time, from the Ancient Times. But really, most of the toughest siths around had this same condition. Since revan to exar kun, from bane to sidious.
Also, Revan was also called the "greatest jedi knight" by Dorak, yet yoda is stated later as being the greatest, so since he comes after Revan this makes him stronger. The same happens to Luke.

I agree with most of people here, sidious is the greatest sith and for bane, surely he was in the top 10, pheraps also in the top 5, but i seriously doubt he was the best.

That's not it at all. Ragnos was labelled "the most powerful of the most powerful" with no indication that it applied to the future. There's not even a remote implication. If Revan was called "the greatest Jedi Knight" without the clarification of "ever" or "in history", then it applies only for his time. The reason Yoda is more powerful than Revan is because he was called "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had EVER known". When Sidious is labelled the most powerful, it has the word "ever" or a variation of.

The New Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith Lord ever."

The AotC Visual Guide: "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power."

DESB: "He succeeded where all others failed at taming the dark side."

I know, that's what i was trying to say. I was saying that Ragnos was stated as the most powerful of the ANCIENT sith lords...

Oh no... not this crazy thread again. Who bumped it!

It says nowhere that he pulls the onderon or dxun closer together.

proof

"When he stared up into the sky he could see Onderon looming large above him, the planet so close to its moon that their atmospheres had occasionally passed through each other in centuries past. For a brief window of time this had allowed the great flying beasts of Dxun to migrate to the other world, where some had been tamed and trained to become the fearsome mounts of Onderon's fabled beast rider clans." this excerpt clearly says that each world is within flying distance of each other.

"Bane pushed his mount, urging it into the uppermost reaches of the breathable atmosphere. Above them the nearby world of Onderon grew in size until it completely filled the horizon. Only a few hundred kilometers separated Dxun from its neighbor, an insignifi-cant sliver of distance on the scale of worlds and solar systems. Already he could feel the faint gravitational pull of Onderon trying to draw them in, the larger planet's mass battling for dominance with that of its slightly smaller satellite. Driven by Bane's relentless will, the drexl pumped its wings furiously, gaining speed and elevation with every beat.
Bane began to summon the Force, letting it build until the last possible instant. Then, gathering the dark side around him and his mount like a protective cloak, he spurred the drexl forward, and a second later they broke free of Dxun's atmosphere and plunged into the frozen vacuum of space that separated him from Onderon and freedom."

here it clearly states that he uses the force to cloak them in a protective field not to pull the planet and moon together