Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Iron Man was defeated because he forgot to close his eye and mouth covers? That's complete PIS. That's like Batman forgeting that his protective gear doesn't cover his mouth and getting shot in the mouth. Plus that comic was from 30 years ago and this isn't the same Iron Man. He isn't going to "forget" to close his eye and mouth slits. You're going to have to argue a different way for Ghost Rider to win.
Iron Man's armor absored power greater than Ghost Rider's "hellfire" before when he fought the Exemplar Inferno. A juggernaut "fire" level being whose fire based powers were powered by a skyfather on the same level as cyttorak (the god who powers juggernaut's powers). Iron Man has even absorbed the power cosmic and Thor's mjolnir summoned lightning. It just made Iron Man's armor stronger.
The Exemplars were all "juggernaut" level beings in their speciality and fought in team with juggernaut included during the "8th Day" storyline.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Iron Man was defeated because he forgot to close his eye and mouth covers? That's complete PIS. That's like Batman forgeting that his protective gear doesn't cover his mouth and getting shot in the mouth. Plus that comic was from 30 years ago and this isn't the same Iron Man. He isn't going to "forget" to close his eye and mouth slits. You're going to have to argue a different way for Ghost Rider to win.Iron Man's armor absored power greater than Ghost Rider's "hellfire" before when he fought the Exemplar Inferno. A being whose fire based powers were powered by a skyfather on the same level as cyttorak (the god who powers juggernaut's powers).
The Exemplars were all "juggernaut" level beings in their speciality.
ghost rider>im imo
Originally posted by guy222
ghost rider>im imo
Why? I hardly ever see you voice a reason why.
Ghost Rider is not going to just "blast" with hellfire. I doubt it will do much more than anything Iron Man has took before considering Iron Man took on the "juggernaut" Inferno and was absorbing her "fire". And she was directly powered by a skyfather, and amped up for the 8th Day Storyline.
Even in the very scan listed above, Iron Man states that his armor could take Ghost Rider's fire. And that was 30 years ago...
With Extremis Iron Man, I'm going to argue it as a stalemate. Current Ghost Rider is very durable, but I don't see him actually getting passed Iron Man defenses. And I don't see Iron Man hurting Ghost Rider either.
hmm, based on the scan i might have to agree eva and say stalemate. there HAVE been times where the armor hasn't fared well against magic, but it seems it was resistant to the hellfire in the scan. there is still the question of the chain, but i don't know for sure if it could penetrate the armor or not.
i still don't think tony can ko gr, but i'm not 100% sure gr could do enough damage sans penance stare, to take out tony. 馃槵
Originally posted by long pig
What's GR's power level?He's way above streetlevel. I'd say he's the cut off point of medium teir to high teir powerlevel.
He's not high end, but only a few steps down.
Version 2 Ghost Rider beat Black Heart. At the time he was the King of Hell. After Black Hearts defeat, Ghost Rider was crowned the new King Of Hell.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Why? I hardly ever see you voice a reason why.Ghost Rider is not going to just "blast" with hellfire. I doubt it will do much more than anything Iron Man has took before considering Iron Man took on the "juggernaut" Inferno and was absorbing her "fire". And she was directly powered by a skyfather, and amped up for the 8th Day Storyline.
Even in the very scan listed above, Iron Man states that his armor could take Ghost Rider's fire. And that was 30 years ago...
With Extremis Iron Man, I'm going to argue it as a stalemate. Current Ghost Rider is very durable, but I don't see him actually getting passed Iron Man defenses. And I don't see Iron Man hurting Ghost Rider either.
The Spirit of Vengeance has defeated the Thing, Hulk and embarassed Thor. Caught mjolnir. Defeated an M-body of Death in a race. Nearly killed Warren. Rage knows no bounds 馃檪
Originally posted by guy222
The Spirit of Vengeance has defeated the Thing, Hulk and embarassed Thor. Caught mjolnir. Defeated an M-body of Death in a race. Nearly killed Warren. Rage knows no bounds 馃檪
1. Completely different battles. Completely different characters with different power sets.
2. A race has nothing to do with this battle. Ghost Rider isn't "racing" Iron Man.
Ghost Rider used his fire on Iron Man's helmet in that very scan, and although Tony forgot to close his eye and mouth slits, the helmet is still there and very much intact. Tony isn't even killed by the attack either and that was direct fire to face contact.
If Iron Man can take Inferno's the Exemplars heat and fire backed by a skyfather, then he can take Ghost Riders.
It's a stalemate.
Originally posted by Evangel94
1. Completely different battles. Completely different characters with different power sets.2. A race has nothing to do with this battle. Ghost Rider isn't "racing" Iron Man.
Ghost Rider used his fire on Iron Man's helmet in that very scan, and although Tony forgot to close his eye and mouth slits, the helmet is still there and very much intact. Tony isn't even killed by the attack either and that was direct fire to face contact.
If Iron Man can take Inferno's the Exemplars heat and fire backed by a skyfather, then he can take Ghost Riders.
It's a stalemate.
i like when gr outran the hammer and caught it 馃檪
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Strange believed to have killed Ghost Rider let his guard down, and GR trapped him chains that came from his body immobilizing him. He then proceeded to use the peance stare on Strange, as he believed he was Lucifer in disguise and knocked him out.
Ghost Rider was out until some other force pulled him back.
Originally posted by long pig
It seems to me that he actually DID kill Ghost Rider, his flame was out an everything. He then went over and started with the "What have I done" bit, dropped all his shields and defenses and got beaten.Ghost Rider was out until some other force pulled him back.
Well I have seen his flame out when just some Canadian soliders ko'ed him with technology temporally. However, with Strange's power at his disposal he damn well should have. You missed my huge debate with another person that stated GR actually killed Strange.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Explain.
Your making it sound as if any old IM armour can absorb those things.
For the power cosmic I believe his armour shorted out (either that or it's bullshit ) and in Thors case he needed a VERY specific power supply to take those lightening bolts and re-direct/re-charge. You also seemed to ignore the fact that even WITH that little re-charge he got torn apart by Thor , horribly in-fact.
Originally posted by Evangel94
I have no idea what comics your citing in your post so I'm not even touching what you said. But here's Iron Man absorbing Thor's lightning head-on and significantly boosted.
A. Thors mind controlled , mind controls are NEVER a good way of citing an example , peoples powers usually fluctuate during mind control ( Eg : their not using them full extent ect ect)
B. Notice how even AFTER draining that lightening Thor seemed unaffected by Tony's attack.
C. I'm talking about the 'Thor-buster' armour.
Originally posted by grey fox
A. Thors mind controlled , mind controls are NEVER a good way of citing an example , peoples powers usually fluctuate during mind control ( Eg : their not using them full extent ect ect)
You actually going to argue that Thor was using his powers less? I can't believe this. 馃檮
Thor was being metally manipulated to kill his team mates. If anything, he wasn't holding back. Iron Man even commented on that Thor could have killed his friends.
Regardless of whatever level of mental manipulation it was, I've shown Iron Man's armor is capable of absorbing Thor's lightning.
Now are you going to apologize to me for accusing me of twisting the truth? Or at least take back what you said earlier.
