Storm vs. Iceman

Started by 2damnloud6 pages

An interesting take on on Storm

"I think an interesting point to remember is that Thor is the son of Odin and Gaia, father sky, mother earth. Storm's true mutant power is not "controlling the weather", much like Cyclops true power is not "firing optic blasts". These are side effects (Cyclops absorbs energy/is an aperture of non-Einsteinian energy). Storm's true power is the ability to become one with the spirit of the earth, the Goddess she so often speaks of, Gaia, Thor's mother. It is through this connection that she is able to manipulate Gaia's atmosphere. She can even connect with the spiritual essence of the greater solar system or entire galactic regions. Often she says "Goddess, hear your daughter's cry, help me." and then lightning fries her opponent. This has even happened when Storm was deprived of her mutant abilities. Storm's maternal bloodline goes back to the dawn of mankind. Her people have a mystical connection to the earth Herself. The fact that she has an x-gene makes her a mutant. The fact that she becomes an instrument of the earth for the sake of Her people makes her a goddess. Gods need not be immortal or all powerful, a monotheistic God tends to be all powerful and never ending, but the pantheon of gods and goddesses that people have come to know over the ages, which are specific aspects of the ALL GOD, need not. Storm's grace and connection with the environment certainly qualify her to be a goddess in my mind."

Originally posted by King Kandy
I wanted to make this thread, just never got around to it.

In any case, Iceman can take away kinetic energy, and weather is based on convection patterns.

It's a no-freaking brainer.

Dude, I hate it that you always say stuff about kinetic energy, he slows molecules thats right, but you make it sound as if Iceman used the speedforce or stuff, his powers are still hindered by heat, that oposes his freezing ability, thats far from plainly stopping molecules.

Originally posted by Bentley
Dude, I hate it that you always say stuff about kinetic energy, he slows molecules thats right, but you make it sound as if Iceman used the speedforce or stuff, his powers are still hindered by heat, that oposes his freezing ability, thats far from plainly stopping molecules.
You haven't read X-Men 193 if you think heat's a problem.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
😐 again.

Half the stuff you spout is crazy talk.

Really let's see what ya got for me. 😉

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You thought that Storm > Thor

Wrong that wasn't me, please bring me a post of me saying it because that is flat out a big fat lie out of your mouth.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You didn't know that the Mutant X-Gene didn't surface til puberty.

I already explained the case with that, when i said grim was wrong we were on the subject of something else.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You think that Storm could contain Hulk.

Yet again your wrong, if you read through the entire topic i never stated one time that storm could beat him, all i said was storm could block his thunderclap and you took it way too far from there. By hulk using air pressure in the clap itself there is no way air pressure would be able to go though an air pressure shield created of air pressure by a women who is mastered with it.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
and the list goes on. Crazy talk seems to be your MO.

There was no list to begin with in the first place, i believe it was you the whole time delousional.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
An interesting take on on Storm

"I think an interesting point to remember is that Thor is the son of Odin and Gaia, father sky, mother earth. Storm's true mutant power is not "controlling the weather", much like Cyclops true power is not "firing optic blasts". These are side effects (Cyclops absorbs energy/is an aperture of non-Einsteinian energy). Storm's true power is the ability to become one with the spirit of the earth, the Goddess she so often speaks of, Gaia, Thor's mother. It is through this connection that she is able to manipulate Gaia's atmosphere. She can even connect with the spiritual essence of the greater solar system or entire galactic regions. Often she says "Goddess, hear your daughter's cry, help me." and then lightning fries her opponent. This has even happened when Storm was deprived of her mutant abilities. Storm's maternal bloodline goes back to the dawn of mankind. Her people have a mystical connection to the earth Herself. The fact that she has an x-gene makes her a mutant. The fact that she becomes an instrument of the earth for the sake of Her people makes her a goddess. Gods need not be immortal or all powerful, a monotheistic God tends to be all powerful and never ending, but the pantheon of gods and goddesses that people have come to know over the ages, which are specific aspects of the ALL GOD, need not. Storm's grace and connection with the environment certainly qualify her to be a goddess in my mind."

Interesting 2D where did you find this?

😐 I can play the interesting take game:

Bobby Drake could be, potentially, one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. Look at his power. People say "Ooh! He makes ice." Or now, "Ooh, he turns himself into ice!"

But let's step back. Basic physics says that there's no such thing as "cold", as a quantative energy form. Only degrees of heat. "Cold" is a relative term, requiring a difference between the observed target and the temperature of the observer. Example: I'm standing in my office, at a nice 73 degrees. The cabbie outside is standing on the street, shivering in 40 degrees. To me, he is cold. Whereas if I were buried in snow (great shades of this past weekend) at around 20 degrees, I'd consider him pretty warm.

Right then, we've established that there's no such energy form as "cold". So, Bobby doesn't generate cold to form his ice, and he doesn't generate the moisture himself (imagine how quickly he'd be dehydrated). Therefore, he forms his ice structures from the ambient moisture in the environment around him. To do this, he causes the moisture to freeze.

But how? We know he doesn't "project cold", so then he must absorb or dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant, it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let's go to another scientific principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing around, the hotter it is.

What Bobby Drake does, as I see it, is project a field that inhibits the motion of those particles (herein referred to as Brownian Motion) thus dropping the temperature and freezing the moisture.

However, the amount of water vapor in any given area is not consistent with the large stunts Bobby regularly pulls off (re: ice slides, ice walls, etc). If he were to coalesce that much water vapor in one place and freeze it, the humidity all along the Eastern Seaboard would drop dramatically, we'd have wildcat lightning storms all over the place, cats and dogs living together, it would be anarchy, you see my point.

So that extra frozen mass has to come from somewhere. Remember that water vapor isn't the only thing in the air. You have a mixture of all sorts of gases. One of the most prominent of these is carbon dioxide. Compared to the other prominent gases in our atmosphere (nitrogen, the most common, and oxygen), carbon dioxide has a relatively high temperature (although still incredibly low) at which it becomes solid. It is my theory that the most part of Bobby's ice structures are composed of frozen carbon dioxide, or "dry ice". This would also explain why Manhattan isn't flooded every time his ice slides melt, since most of it sublimes back into gaseous carbon dioxide.

So, what Bobby does is inhibit the Brownian Motion of objects. He can do this so quickly that there is no expansion of the target's water content, as was seen when he flash-froze Legion completely. Had he merely frozen all the moisture in Legion's body, well... put an unopened can of soda in the freezer sometime. Wait a few days. Watch the results. Legion would be a messy red chunk when he thawed.

Bobby is an incredibly powerful cryokinetic. But that's not the only extent to his powers. Since Mikhail's fiddling, he can transform his entire body into a water-based organism. In his form of homogenous ice, his thought processes go on, even though water is a MUCH less efficient conductor than neurons in the human brain. Basically, Bobby converts all the molecules of his body into water, and freezes and molds it as he moves. He has the capability to assume a completely liquid form (as Emma Frost did when in control of his body) as well as the potential ability to 'teleport' by zapping his consciousness through water vapor in the atmosphere, reforming at his desired location. In AOA, this was referred to as "moisture inversion". And through all this, he retains the ability to resume human form. He has been blown up in human form and transformed into steam. He was also absorbed by a fire user who fed his flames with the things surrounding him, and Iceman inhibited his body, then expanded outwards, killing the firestarter. He then went on to be teleported inside a wall, and survived the explosion. So long as there is one piece of his consciousness around, he can survive.

Canonically, we've heard it referred to multiple times that Bobby hasn't realized his full potential. Imagine what he could do with realization and training.

* Create a 'giant' ice form with corresponding strength and stability.
* Create and animate multiple ice forms.
* Coalesce all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical storms, etc.
* Acting as a catalyst for superconducting machinery (we've already seen him do this).
* Siphon all the water from a persons body
* Inhibit another persons water supply
* Transmute the water in a persons body into gas

But....

Storm'z gots deh lightninz in da braain!!!11

Storm wins.

She can remove the ambient moisture in the air.

She can seperate the water molecules and make oxygen(electrolysis), thus no more Iceman.

I found out you can electrify Ice too.

And yes, she has "lightning in her brain". It goes with her contol over the EM spectrum fostered by her Elemental munipulating abilities. it allows her to channel, redirect, and control a BOUNTIFUL amount of different energies with limitations.

I don't think any amount of freezing or typical kinetic stuff will work on storm. her body seems to be immune to any type of slowing effects or "de energizing" per say. But a nice sharp Ice beam to the chest should impale her nicely.

Pressure dome goes up or she can Dodge it.

Her best bet would be to trap/isolate/centralize Iceman in a pressure feild and raise humidity or heat and cause him to turn into water and then perform electrolysis so he can no longer BE water, but oxygen.

A super-heated tropic vortex could work in conjuction with rmoving most of the ambient moiture in the air.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Pressure dome goes up or she can Dodge it.

Her best bet would be to trap/isolate/centralize Iceman in a pressure feild and raise humidity or heat and cause him to turn into water and then perform electrolysis so he can no longer BE water, but oxygen.

A super-heated tropic vortex could work in conjuction with rmoving most of the ambient moiture in the air.

LOL. ALl of that won't do a bit of good to someone who can just transfer thier concious into your eye. Storm is outclasses here in terms of her options. Her power may be great, but her options are severly limited.

He got blown up. In human form. He survived. 😐

He got literally absorbed and fed someones fire powers. He killed the guy from the inside out 😐

He can turn the water in her body into gas, or just tear it our instantly dehydrating her.

I'd go into more details as to how Iceman wins, but I'm tired. Maybe over Spring Break.

lightning bolt=brain death. game over

No. Just no 😐

um yur kidding right
storm isn't capable of feeling cold, she zaps bobby a new one

Originally posted by psycho gundam
um yur kidding right
storm isn't capable of feeling cold, she zaps bobby a new one

ANd exactly how do you zap a concsious a new one? So if he's in her eye, what does she do then when he's slicing her eye balls open from the inside as a miniature iceman. she may be immune to cold, but she isn't immune to being impaled and cut. while he is immune to every single thing she can do. You have to be a top tier telepath or reality/matter manip to beat him. or have some powerful magical mojo.

iceman isnt that cool(pun INTENDED!)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
iceman isnt that cool(pun INTENDED!)

😕 😆 You do realize the Iceman can freeze abstract beings and is an omega mutant? He can send his mind into any water, liquid, vapor or ice. storm is ****ed. Iceman's body is what ever form of water he chooses to inhabit. There is nothing she can do to him.

"lightning remove this block of ice from my sight, your mistress commands you" (he is now vapour) she then forms a hurricane and we dont see iceman untill 2099

The sad thing is...some truly believe Storm wins. ❌

Iceman for the win. Everytime. ✅