Characterization vs 'Badass' Moments.

Characterization vs 'Badass' Moments.

Yeah i know this was on the vs forum and is a bit lame, but people on here are a little bit more intelligent !

The two of the most popular events of the year have been Annihilation and Justice, both of which contain numerous awe inspiring moments. Now if anyone reads Joe Q's interviews on Newsrama, you'll see that he believes Marvels success is down to their superior characterization based on flawed personalities. So what do you prefer the more intricate character development of Brian Bendis, Brian K Vaughn and Joss Wheldon, or stories involving badass moments, traditionally seen in stories created by the likes of Geoff Johns , Grant Morison and Mark Millar.

I like a good mix of both, and it seems that Whedon and Millar are pretty good at providing them at the same time. Oeming is excellent at it.

I like characterisation moments better.... but you still need the bad-ass scenes every now and again.

I really liked the comics after Pete Parker's aunt found out he was Spider-Man and he was struggling with how to tell her about his life.

If I didn't belong to this forum, I wouldn't at all care about scanning through a comic for feats. 😬 I use to look at a story specifically for the story... and then I found out about tournies and respect threads.

Originally posted by batdude123
If I didn't belong to this forum, I wouldn't at all care about scanning through a comic for feats. 😬 I use to look at a story specifically for the story... and then I found out about tournies and respect threads.

Badass moments don't always involve feats, infact most of the best ones dont. If you want clarification on what i mean by 'Badass', look at the 'Holy Shit moments' thread.

Originally posted by Prof S.T.I.
Badass moments don't always involve feats, infact most of the best ones dont. If you want clarification on what i mean by 'Badass', look at the 'Holy Shit moments' thread.

In that case.... then probably a good mixture of both. Though if I had my druthers, I'd probably pick good characterization.... however, some badass moments are a must.

Having both is best (the better the characterization, the better the badass moments)...but if I had to choose, I pick characterization. Seems to me, characterization ---> realism, whereas badass moments often ---> one-upmanship ---> PIS.

Originally posted by Mindship
Having both is best (the better the characterization, the better the badass moments)...but if I had to choose, I pick characterization. Seems to me, characterization ---> realism, whereas badass moments often ---> one-upmanship ---> PIS.

That's a very sensible opinion.

Originally posted by batdude123
If I didn't belong to this forum, I wouldn't at all care about scanning through a comic for feats. 😬 I use to look at a story specifically for the story... and then I found out about tournies and respect threads.

Like a recent Aquaman issue, his abilities were underplayed, and because of that i initially had a bad opinion of the issue. But it's actually a good, entertaining issue. That's one of the downsides of these boards do to a person.

On topic, i'm going with the general consensus. Character moments are more important, but it's best have a good mix of both.

Originally posted by Weyoun
That's a very sensible opinion.

Crystal Ball does?

Originally posted by Mindship
Having both is best (the better the characterization, the better the badass moments)...but if I had to choose, I pick characterization. Seems to me, characterization ---> realism, whereas badass moments often ---> one-upmanship ---> PIS.

Agreed. 👆

There's a reason why Astonishing X-men is one of the best books ever and Wolverine's book is usually boring as hell 😐

Originally posted by Grimm22
There's a reason why Astonishing X-men is one of the best books ever and Wolverine's book is usually boring as hell 😐

Because Dan Slott wrote it? Because No-one bought it?

Oh no, that was Thing.

Characterization in the long run is good, like Bendis' Daredevil is legendary now. But moments like Hal Jordan breaking Sinestro's neck and other badass moments go down pretty well aswell.

Originally posted by "V"
Because Dan Slott wrote it? Because No-one bought it?

Oh no, that was Thing.

Characterization in the long run is good, like Bendis' Daredevil is legendary now. But moments like Hal Jordan breaking Sinestro's neck and other Bad ass moments go down pretty well aswell.

Characterisation is overrated IMO, good story telling, with the occasional Bad ass moment does it for me. Greg Rucka and Bendis are famous for there characterisations, but some of there work is seriously lame. Morrison and Millar get away with Awe inspiring plot lines and scenariosq and although true to the characters, they rarely attempt to develop personalities.

Sometimes I'd rather have more "sweet moments". For example, I love Spider-Man (obviously). And I have a subscription to ASM. But for the most part, it's bogged down with so much character-related stuff that Spidey feels like he's playing 2nd fiddle to the Peter Parker Soap Opera.

I love the character, so I don't mind. But I could do with a little less occasionally.

You need a balance, regardless of which is supposedly the "strong point" of the characters.

Bendis' Daredevil was filled with badass moments. Generally badass because of the characterization. That's when it works best.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Bendis' Daredevil was filled with badass moments. Generally badass because of the characterization. That's when it works best.

Agreed. DD's a great title right now for Marvel.

I have never bought a DareDevil comic (or read one either)

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Agreed. DD's a great title right now for Marvel.

Brubaker is indeed (IMO) Marvel's best writer at the moment, definetly the most consistent. He's got Captain America, Daredevil & Iron Fist under his belt atm and they are all written great.