Originally posted by Decaygiven prep apocalypse could be a serious danger, but even then i think the surfer would overcome him.
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With prep time, it's conceivable apocalypse could get a hold of doom's energy sucking device or mimick/reverse-engineer it. (stryfe? once got a hold of it.) He should be aware of doom ability to suck the surfer as he's aware of most events around the world.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X😐
With prep time, it's conceivable apocalypse could get a hold of doom's energy sucking device or mimick/reverse-engineer it. (stryfe? once got a hold of it.) He should be aware of doom ability to suck the surfer as he's aware of most events around the world.
How could you prove he's aware of Doom's devices anyway?
Plus, to use it, he'd have to surprise Surfer... which would be incredibly difficult in a fight where he faces the opponent... and it's likely to be destroyed anyway.
That's also a good way of putting Doom's mind>>>Apoc's though... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
😐How could you prove he's aware of Doom's devices anyway?
I didn't read the story, but I'm sure Doom did some pretty notable things with the power(has he sucked it once or twice? I don't recall), and Ozymandias should have apoc up to day on the goings of the world.
Plus, to use it, he'd have to surprise Surfer... which would be incredibly difficult in a fight where he faces the opponent... and it's likely to be destroyed anyway.That's also a good way of putting Doom's mind>>>Apoc's though... 😖hifty:
Doom and reed richards are cis superintelligent inventors. Time machine, herald energy sucking devices, etc, etc, etc. It's pretty unbelievable.
Celestial technology should be above anything present day humans could conceive or construct... but alas this is marvel. Human soldiers have anti tk/tp armor capable of dealing with xman while shi-ar and other super advanced aliens have not, iirc.
With access to doom's machine, it maybe possible to reverse-engineer it and morph part of his body into it.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XI think twice... I know there's the story, and then the remix. There might be another occurence... but he got a Doombot to steal his power as well.
I didn't read the story, but I'm sure Doom did some pretty notable things with the power(has he sucked it once or twice? I don't recall), and Ozymandias should have apoc up to day on the goings of the world.
And the only way Apoc would know how he obtained said power, would be to read the comic himself... or turn into Thanos... because Thanos always knows what's going on in the world apparently, or more specifically, Doom.
Originally posted by En Sabah Nur XIn terms of inventions, and things to show for it... Doom is one of the smartest beings in comics. The 'shoulds' of Celestial technology are irrelevant when Apoc first needs an idea (assuming everything is within his grasp with an idea).
Doom and reed richards are cis superintelligent inventors. Time machine, herald energy sucking devices, etc, etc, etc. It's pretty unbelievable.Celestial technology should be above anything present day humans could conceive or construct... but alas this is marvel. Human soldiers have anti tk/tp armor capable of dealing with xman while shi-ar and other super advanced aliens have not, iirc.
With access to doom's machine, it maybe possible to reverse-engineer it and morph part of his body into it.
Well, since Apoc apparently reads comics, and has cameras in Doom's castle...
He still needs to catch Surfer unaware, or grab him to get the machine to work on him. With Surfer fighting back... that doesn't seem like a viable option. 😬
Originally posted by Starscream M
Namor's appearance of flaming homosexuality would've certainly offended Apocalypse's unique sensibility, perhaps causing him to react irrationally.Apocalypse's principle belief is in SURVIVAL. Every species can only survive through having reproduction rate being greater than death rate. Homosexuality would go against that, and would propogate extinction of species rather than survival, which would completely go against everything Apocalypse stands for.
He prob saw in Namor the antithesis of all his closely held core beliefs.
I can see this going to either opponent, depending on the circumstances.
Since the OP didn't really bother to lay down any specifics or ground rules, we have some wiggle room.
If this took place in a standard KMC arena, no prep time, just straight out fisticuffs- apocalypse probably loses via a speedblitz, since surfer has substantially faster speed feats. There's some evidence apocalypse can enhance his speed (he was able to surprise KO quicksilver in mid-run, so there's that) but not to lightspeed levels.
On the other hand- in character, with some prep time? Apocalypse has the resources to take this. Surfer rarely goes for an all out speedblitz to take out an opponent- look how many times he's been manhandled by Thor and Thanos- neither of whom are speedsters per se, just powerful tanks with enhanced reflexes. Don't bother counting, it's a LOT. And what is apocalypse except a powerful tank with enhanced reflexes?
Surfer has also been shown to be prone to a powerdrain- Doom has done it with his devices, and Black panther repeated the process by copying doom's designs. Apocalypse's celestial tech is at the same level if not flat out superior, AND he's shown he has equipment capable of draining Loki just laying around- no prep was necessary to pull that one off. If he can drain an Asgardian God, doing the same to a herald isn't that far off.
Apocalypse in character has a ton of resources he knows how to use, and is incredibly intelligent- if he knows an opponent has a weakness, psychological or physical, he's quick to exploit it.
Surfer in character is the exact opposite- neglecting to use the majority of the abilities he has. It's extremely unlikely we'd see surfer use the size manipulation, phasing, lightspeed assaults, planet busting shots, etc. That would make this a 10/10 fight for him.
No prep, arena battle: surfer, and by a mile.
In character battle, prep time allowed? Apocalypse takes this.