Originally posted by Robtard
If most (the majority) whites hide their racism when in public, what does the minority do?
Well, in most cases you'll see that minorities are more accepting of others races instead of being introverted. I see most of them as extroverts and non-xenophobic, not as tight assed and lipped.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Well, in most cases you'll see that minorities are more accepting of others races instead of being introverted. I see most of them as extroverts and non-xenophobic, not as tight assed and lipped.
No, not minorities as an "ethnic minority".
You said "most whites hide their racism in public" as in "most" being 'the majority'. I am asking what about the other whites that are not included in your "most" categorization, i.e. "the minority" of whites that do something other than hide their racism in public. What do those people do?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
1.) Those are your opinions. I may or may not agree, but I've never commented. So please leave your ideas about him out of it.2.) I have the right to criticize him as a troll because he is one. Again, I never said anything about racist.
3.) You don't have to see me as better, but calling me a hypocrite for calling him a troll is factually innacurate.
You're projecting. Both you and Rob.
You guys take my stance that traditional marriage should be for a man and a woman (ignoring my posts that support civil unions and a "commitment ceremony" of the gay couples choice) and my belief that science has not yet proven homosexuality to be genetic and therefore decided that I'm a homophobe.
I'm just one of many who isn't convinced yet by current evidence (much of which has been debated by us in other threads).
I don't hate gay people or gay-bash, yet the first little comment that I make in a thread throws up a red flag : "Oh no, good heavens Sithsaber, you aren't allowed to make comments to trolls like the rest of us,... don't you know you're a bigotted homophobe?"
I've said nothing to that effect, only that I don't believe homosexuality to be genetic and natural (based on evidence and personal belief, as is my right) and that I support keeping a traditional marriage between men and women. However, you've drawn from that rational and logical stance (that the majority of Americans have, mind you) that I must HATE gay people (an ASSumption if ever there was one) and that my opinion is invalid.
(and they say my people need to get off of our high horses.)
I am going to let this go....I am not going to get into another "Is Homosexuality Genetic" argument with the same guy who is so deluded he thinks the existance of Angels have been proven, but that Evolution is a lie.... 🙄
You call Fist of the North a troll....what makes him a troll ? All he ever does is rant on anti-white sentiment...constantly bashing and condemning the majority of white people as racist, etc.
His trolling, like I said before, is based on his racist perceptions and ideas about racism.
Therefore, one can only conclude, that if you critisize him for trolling, you are also attacking his constant tendency to label whites as racists, which I am sure you do not appreciate, and you don't have to ofcourse.
However, like I stated before....I find it hypocritical for a person who is against Gay Marriage to attack someone who holds mildly racists views....
Likewise, I find it hypocritical of Fisty to attack racism, but be okay with Heterosexism and constantly make comments about his strong disaproval of homosexuality.
So...to be fair...I will say you are a Heterosexist at the very least, if not a mild homophobe...while FistoftheNorth is mildly racist....
Happy ?
Originally posted by Robtard
No, not minorities as an "ethnic minority".You said "most whites hide their racism in public" as in "most" being 'the majority'. I am asking what about the other whites that are not included in your "most" categorization, i.e. "the minority" of whites that do something other than hide their racism in public. What do those people do?
Oh.
Well, you'll probably have a percentage whom are liberals that harbor white guilt and and the rest just feel indifferent about the issue/situation, I'm assuming.
Your point?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
His trolling, like I said before, is based on his racist perceptions and ideas about racism.
you're either unfamiliar with his more recent childish outbursts and gay bashing or are being deliberate.
the enemy of your enemy is not often your friend. please ditch your sycophantic ways
Originally posted by PVS
you're either unfamiliar with his more recent childish outbursts and gay bashing or are being deliberate.the enemy of your enemy is not often your friend. please ditch your sycophantic ways
PVS, I don't like EITHER of them.....
But I find thier attacking of each other to be hypocritical on both counts....
And I KNOW Fist is homophobic...i just said that before.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh.Well, you'll probably have a percentage whom are liberals that harbor white guilt and and the rest just feel indifferent about the issue/situation, I'm assuming.
Your point?
My point is that you're a blind racist. You feel the majority of whites are racist who just hide their racism.
If I said "The majority of blacks are thieves", you would call me a racist for making a negative blanket statement about people based on skin pigmentation and guess what, you'd be correct in doing so as a statement like that (and yours) is indeed "racism".
Originally posted by Robtard
You feel the majority of whites are racist who just hide their racism.
The majority of Whites I've come in contact with, in my life, have all been racists, with more than half admitting it verbally. My experiences tell me what's true. And those are just my accounts. I have friends, family members that have gone through worse. Too bad but let me ask you something, if it were true that the majority of Whites hide their racism while in public, if it were indeed fact, would you still be a racist and would you still call me a racist, if I said this? In other words, would saying that statement qualify me as a racist, under those circumstances.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The majority of Whites I've come in contact with, in my life, have all been racists, with more than half admitting it verbally. My experiences tell me what's true. And those are just my accounts. I have friends, family members that have gone through worse. Too bad but let me ask you something, if it were true that the majority of Whites hide their racism while in public, if it were indeed fact, would you still be a racist and would you still call me a racist, if I said this? In other words, would saying that statement qualify me as a racist, under those circumstances.
Have they also been Christian?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
PVS, I don't like EITHER of them.....But I find thier attacking of each other to be hypocritical on both counts....
Why, because I'm an intelligent and well-informed conservative who's open to debates that doesn't support gay marriage?
He's a racist and a homophobe (according to you), and I'm neither.
If I want to call him out for stupidity, trolling, baiting, or whatever else, I'll bloody well do so.
You'll not try to put forth the view that any rational and sensible person who's heard the facts from both sides (namely me) and neither supports gay marriage nor believes homosexuality is genetic is somehow a "homophobe" or a "bigot" or anything else.
That's your own prejudice, one that most Americans don't share.
If I were to shut you, Adam PoE, or Capt. Fantastic out, call you "faggs", or discredited you based on your sexuality..... then you might be able to call me a homophobe.
As it is, I'm considerate of all of you, hear your points, and debate them. We may not agree, or necessarily have each other over for tea, but it's a far stretch to say that I'm a homophobe like Fist, and therefore a hypocrite to call him out. (again for being a stupid troll, not for his views.)
In your heart, you know this is true. 🙂
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The majority of Whites I've come in contact with, in my life, have all been racists, with more than half admitting it verbally. My experiences tell me what's true. And those are just my accounts. I have friends, family members that have gone through worse. Too bad but let me ask you something, if it were true that the majority of Whites hide their racism while in public, if it were indeed fact, would you still be a racist and would you still call me a racist, if I said this? In other words, would saying that statement qualify me as a racist, under those circumstances.
The "whites" in your petty anecdotes do not constitute all "white" Americans or "whites" world wide so you have no foundation for basing these "facts" in the first place. Like I said, broad-blanket-generalizations about people based on skin color is indeed racism.
If you could somehow factually prove that the majority of "whites" are indeed racist "who just hide it", then no, your statement wouldn't be racist as it would be fact. So either prove your fact-less racist comments to be fact, come to terms with your negative(racist) views of whites because of their skin color or just shut the hell up.
Originally posted by PVS
yeah, he was a real trip. he would ramble on for hours about how gypsies were murdered under nazi germany, and the whole time refused to acknowledge that their murdering of homosexuals was even wrong. then he would go on spamming the forum with repeat gay bashing threads.by crom, you should have seen this guy. bottomfeeding loser he was.
perhaps if you had seen him in action you might forgive my unfortunate ignorance toward gypsies. 😉
But then of course the point of trolling, or so i've heard is maximum reaction, i'm suprised you never had him on ignore. Of course putting a troll on ignore is maybe what they are after. 🙂 Who knows?
The fact you have such vitriolic responses even now might make that troll smile. Perhaps?
🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
If you could somehow factually prove that the majority of "whites" are indeed racist "who just hide it", then no, your statement wouldn't be racist as it would be fact. So either prove your fact-less racist comments to be fact,
I'll let you know that it's hardly impossible to either find or even start a poll on this issue but how can I prove a fact-less racist comment to be a fact, you idiot.
Wouldn't the comment have to indeed be fact in order for me to prove it it is..
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Why, because I'm an intelligent and well-informed conservative who's open to debates that doesn't support gay marriage?
Intelligent and Well-Informed in some areas, perhaps. We all are....but I begin to question your source of education very strongly, when claim that the existance of Angels is factually proven, while Evolution has no evidense to support it.....
The fact that you do NOT support Gay Marriage clearly shows you do not see Heterosexuals and Homosexuals as equal. No way around it....
Originally posted by sithsaber408
He's a racist and a homophobe (according to you), and I'm neither.
You're Heterosexist at the very least, and yes, he is an outright racist and homophobe.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
If I want to call him out for stupidity, trolling, baiting, or whatever else, I'll bloody well do so.
As displayed by the fact that you already did it....okay, so ?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You'll not try to put forth the view that any rational and sensible person who's heard the facts from both sides (namely me) and neither supports gay marriage nor believes homosexuality is genetic is somehow a "homophobe" or a "bigot" or anything else.
Heard the facts from both sides ?
Adam Poe and PVS had provided so many sites, sources, and scientific research supporting Homosexuality being a natural genetic occurance, not only human sexuality, but in animal sexuality as well....where have you been ?
You are a bigot....you do not see Heterosexuality and Homosexuality as equal, you see the latter as inferior, therefore you are a bigot.
You are Heterosexist by definition of your stances, and Heterosexism is a form of bigotry.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That's your own prejudice, one that most Americans don't share.
What prejudice do you speak of ?
You clearly are a bigot in that sense.....I am not condemning you there, I am simply making an observation.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
If I were to shut you, Adam PoE, or Capt. Fantastic out, call you "faggs", or discredited you based on your sexuality..... then you might be able to call me a homophobe.
You don't have to outright bash or attack me, Adam Poe, Capt Fantastic, or any other gay/bisexual person to be a homophobe.
Homophobia can be as simple as aiming to limit the rights of Gay people, or even simpler...as simple as seeing Homosexuals and thier choices as inferior to and less valid than your own.
Like I said...if you are not a true homophobe, then you are a heterosexist at the very least, and that still makes you a bigot.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
As it is, I'm considerate of all of you, hear your points, and debate them. We may not agree, or necessarily have each other over for tea, but it's a far stretch to say that I'm a homophobe like Fist, and therefore a hypocrite to call him out. (again for being a stupid troll, not for his views.)
Fisty seems to be far more prejudice and judgemental than yourself, that I will admit, however, I do not see you as that much better. That's all.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
In your heart, you know this is true. 🙂
I think Deep Down inside, you somehow know you may be wrong about your assertions. You are convinced of your stance for whatever reason, but somewhere, in your Conservative "lets ban gay marriage, even though I care for Gay people" brain, you know what you're promoting is wrong.
You may feel you are simply trying to save a tradition which you feel is sacred and should not be tampered with.....but you know you are simultaneously contributing to the social oppression and unhappiness of another group of people.
You KNOW THAT....even though you may never admit it....
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'll let you know that it's hardly impossible to either find or even start a poll on this issue but how can I prove a fact-less racist comment to be a fact, you idiot.Wouldn't the comment have to indeed be fact in order for me to prove it it is..
I see you have finally found yourself stumped by your own ignorance.
Hmmm... So everything everyone says is indeed fact because they said it? ...and you call me an "idiot".
Originally posted by Robtard
I see you have finally found yourself stumped by your own ignorance.Hmmm... So everything everyone says is indeed fact because they said it? ...and you call me an "idiot".
It's like when he said in the Philosophy Forum that the existance of a Soul is factual, because his Faith says so...and since his Faith convinces him that a Soul factually exists, then it is fact to him and therefore fact, not opinion
😆
Originally posted by Robtard
I see you have finally found yourself stumped by your own ignorance.Hmmm... So everything everyone says is indeed fact because they said it? ...and you call me an "idiot".
That's because you can't see that the information has to be sought out statistically initially for any determinations to come across. And yes, if a huge poll was to be done on the topic and the majority of people, who've responded to the poll, were White, i don't think I'd call the results an opinion, would you?
Sure there'd be a slight margin of error but not significant enough to smear the results. Anyway, the results would far outweigh any m.o.a.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
That's because you can't see that the information has to be sought out statistically initially for any determinations to come across. And yes, if a huge poll was to be done on the topic and the majority of people, who've responded to the poll, were White, i don't think I'd call the results an opinion, would you?Sure there'd be a slight margin of error but not significant enough to smear the results. Anyway, the results would far outweigh any m.o.a.
If, if and if... Point being, no polls were done, no information (besides your useless anecdotal) has been gathered and yet you tried to pass off your claim that 'most whites are racist who just hide it' as a fact because you say so. To repeat, making broad-blanket-generalizations on a group of people based solely on skin color is racism. That is what racism is and that is exactly what you did.
And as I said before, prove your fact-less claims or be proven the racist idiot. You're saying it and passing it as fact when you have no foundation, either take that Pepsi-Challenge and prove it or shut the hell up clowny.