HOM Wanda vs. the Magus with the IG

Originally posted by King Kandy
I understand all that... But it wasn't the Chaos power of the chaos Wave that made it such a threat, it was the fact that it destroyed the branes like dominoes.

All the universe's were like dominoes, and Wanda only had the power to topple one, but that set off a chain reaction.

How can the Chaos Wave power not be the threat,

when it's Chaos Wave power that's destroying the Branes?

And where is it stated that she only toppled one?

Saturnyne said Branes all along the Sidereal String have been devastated, which equates to Universes

and the Chaos Wave was still travelling.

The Chaos Wave was toppling ALL those Universes and the Chaos Wave is Wanda's Power in action.

Or as the Official Handbook puts it in 4 separate Bios,

the Wanda's Reality Warp

Originally posted by King Kandy
Another analogy is that her warping causing the chaos wave is like causing an avalanch by removing one rock. You only have the power to remove one rock, but doing so creates a much stronger chain reaction.

I disagree with that analogy.

If someone removes a rock and causes an Avalanch, the person removing the rock has nothing to do with snow in the Avalanch.

I just proved conclusively that the Chaos Wave IS Wanda's Reality Warp

So it's Not Wanda removing a rock,

it's Wanda Creating the Snow from scrath, and then pushing the Avalanch down the mountain, on top of supplying the Avalanch with endless Snow.

You definitly proved that Wanda was the CAUSE of the wave... I don't think there's a single person who ever disputed that. But all her warping warped 616 to shit (First Domino), and breached the walls of casuality (First domino begins to hit the second domino). From there, she no longer needs to fuel it, it's self sustaining (Domino reaction). It pierces Brane after brane (Later domino's). Then, it gets stopped (Someone puts there finger between domino's and stops it.)

Originally posted by Utrigita
this might sound stupid but could Magus teleport behind the Chaos Wave?

Actually I'm not basing this fight on Wanda's Chaos Wave.

I just wanted to make it known that it was indeed Wanda's power that was fuling the Chaos Wave.

Not the avalanch theory.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Mr Master you scans clearly shows that the Chaos Wave was Wandas doing,

I really wasn't going to deabte the overwhelming evidence, but glad to see you quickly saw it for what it is.

Originally posted by Utrigita
but what effect did it have on the omniverse more then just depowering mutants? You scans said what could have happen but not what did happen.

The Mutants being depowered was Wanda's direct involvement,

Wanda said "no more Mutants" and 90% of Mutants lost their power.

The Chaos Wave was being generated by her but apparently subconciously.

Without realizing it, Wanda was Folding the Omniverse.

You're right, she didn't Collapse everything, but she was surely on her way.

Tthanks, for the heads up.

Still thinks Magus could take this though because as you said yourself the Chaos Wave isn't something she just do on basis, and that is clearly her most impressiv feat preformed ever.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You definitly proved that Wanda was the CAUSE of the wave... I don't think there's a single person who ever disputed that. But all her warping warped 616 to shit (First Domino), and breached the walls of casuality (First domino begins to hit the second domino). From there, she no longer needs to fuel it, it's self sustaining (Domino reaction). It pierces Brane after brane (Later domino's). Then, it gets stopped (Someone puts there finger between domino's and stops it.)

I see what you mean.

Though you're speculating it makes perfect sense what you're saying.

Only one problem,

the Domino's were not falling on their own because of momentum,

the Chaos Wave itself, was knocking the Dominos down one by one.

"If the breach is not sealed, the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"

Without the Chaos Wave, the Dominos can't fall.

Without Wanda, there is no Chaos Wave.

If a Million Universes collapse due to the Chaos Wave and Wanda inexplicably dies,

the Chaos Wave stops and the rest of the Universes survive,

because the Chaos Wave would have no source to draw on, because Wanda was the source of the Chaos Wave's existence and momentum.

That makes sense, but I think that the real explanation is more like this:

The wave itself isn't a direct manifestation of her power, the power she used was the first domino toppling... The "Wave" that goes through the domino's is the chaos wave... It's the "Current", the "Movement" that is the chaos wave, not the same force that pushed over the first domino...

Originally posted by Mr Master
If a Million Universes collapse due to the Chaos Wave and Wanda inexplicably dies,

the Chaos Wave stops and the rest of the Universes survive,

because the Chaos Wave would have no source to draw on, because Wanda was the source of the Chaos Wave's existence and momentum.

Because in the model I put forth, it's like domino's and her hand only pushed the first one over...

In Your model, her hand pushed over all of the domino's.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That makes sense, but I think that the real explanation is more like this:

"the real explanation" 😉

Originally posted by King Kandy
The wave itself isn't a direct manifestation of her power,

Actually I just proved it was, and you agreed a few posts ago. (atleast I thought you did)

Originally posted by King Kandy
the power she used was the first domino toppling... The "Wave" that goes through the domino's is the chaos wave... It's the "Current", the "Movement" that is the chaos wave, not the same force that pushed over the first domino...

If you say so K,

I'll stick with what Marvel and Roma said,

the Chaos Wave was what was Expanding and collapsing Universes,

The Chaos Wave is Wanda's Reality Warp

Wanda Remade 616, by the time it reached a Global Scale,

she cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,

this allowed her power to flow out of 616 into other Walls of Causality from other Universes, collapsing said Universes as it passed by,

the Chaos Wave continued to Expand, NOT on it's own,

but because Wanda was fueling it with energy and momentum.

like i said chthon gave her power over all chaos magic, which he invented less you think a mear mutant can do all that she did but then again mad jim jaspers did MEH.

Magus IG would win. He'll stop it with a thought.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Magus IG would win. He'll stop it with a thought.

sidious say incomplete ig ftw