Annihilus vs Apoocalypse

Classic Annihilus would definitely lose to Classic Apoc. But current Annhilus has gotten a major boost, as previously mentioned.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Well, he took out Frenzy, who’s durability (which was already very impressive) and strength were uncontrollably amped multiple times over. Tower is usually around 7 feet at normal, 15 feet using his growth power, with his powers amped so much he looked to be around 40 feet or so normal, that’s without controlled/conscious growth, so they were amped maybe 6x their original levels or so. Frenzy has shown to be a class 50 or so character, even fighting Colossus well. Amped 6x or so she’d be class 300 or so. Even lowballing her at class 30 she’d be around class 180, and even lowballing how much she was ampd in conjunction with that, she’d still be at least class 90 with 3x her impressive durability. So I think i'ts pretty impressive for Apocalypse to one shot her.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the last time I checked Annihilus was at class 50 😕 I can't see how Apoc is gonna lose in, for example a h2h combat against him.

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Keep in mind a weaker Nova has fought Gladiator, and this Nova has the full Nova Force (last who had that, I hear wrecked the Avengers).
Annihilus slapped him away like nothing.

Originally posted by bigbran
I don't remember a class 50 ever doing this...

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Keep in mind a weaker Nova has fought Gladiator, and this Nova has the full Nova Force (last who had that, I hear wrecked the Avengers).
Annihilus slapped him away like nothing.

Marveldatabase needs to update their info... 😠

Good feat. Though, still, I don't think Apoc would utterly lose in a h2h combat against Annihilus.

*waits for batdude to correct me with a bitchy Apoc comment* 😛

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Marveldatabase needs to update their info... 😠

Good feat. Though, still, I don't think Apoc would utterly lose in a h2h combat against Annihilus.

*waits for batdude to correct me with a bitchy Apoc comment* 😛

The only really good thing bios are good for, is telling what happened in that character's history (although some are still wrong, so you may need to check with a comic).

If full on Nova Force gets slapped around like that, you can bet Apoc is going down.

Also, I never said Apoc would go down in a slugfest, I said "toe to toe" meaning:

Blasts to blasts, punch to punch, power to power, etc.

Basically, what I meant to say was one-on-one with Annihilus.

Here are some more Apoc feats.

Holds She-Hulk apparently helpless in a choke.

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Restraining the Hulk with one arm (note that this was 616 Hulk during Heroes Reborn, who was tapping into the energies of the HR pocket reality and other dimensions, very strong, but was less durable than usual). Apocalypse did have leverage on his side there in dragging him, but he got The Hulk into that position in the first place and the Hulk couldn’t break free.

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Fights Prime Eternal Ikarus. His punch waylays Ikarus, while his bearhug proves inescapable to Ike.

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Fights the norse god of lies and mischief himself. Loki needs to put effort into breaking free from his one handed grip (notice his facial grimace). Loki is estimated to be class 70, so he’s a strong guy.

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Laughs off a big High Evolutionary blast, it doesn’t effect him.

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Takes X-Factor, the Inhumans, Askani/Rachael Summers, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun- hitting him with everything they had to no effect, he waded through it.

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Takes Cyclops’ full power blast like nothing hit him. And sucks him bone dry of energy.

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Again, takes on Cyclops' optic beam with no effect on him, even in his weakened state woken from his sleep too early.

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Defeats The X-Men under sixty seconds.

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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Here are some more Apoc feats.

Holds She-Hulk apparently helpless in a choke.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers17.png

Restraining the Hulk with one arm (note that this was 616 Hulk during Heroes Reborn, who was tapping into the energies of the HR pocket reality and other dimensions, very strong, but was less durable than usual). Apocalypse did have leverage on his side there in dragging him, but he got The Hulk into that position in the first place and the Hulk couldn’t break free.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers11.png

Fights Prime Eternal Ikarus. His punch waylays Ikarus, while his bearhug proves inescapable to Ike.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers12.png

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Fights the norse god of lies and mischief himself. Loki needs to put effort into breaking free from his one handed grip (notice his facial grimace). Loki is estimated to be class 70, so he’s a strong guy.

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Laughs off a big High Evolutionary blast, it doesn’t effect him.

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Takes X-Factor, the Inhumans, Askani/Rachael Summers, and Charlotte Jones w/big tech gun- hitting him with everything they had to no effect, he waded through it.

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Takes Cyclops’ full power blast like nothing hit him. And sucks him bone dry of energy.

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Again, takes on Cyclops' optic beam with no effect on him, even in his weakened state woken from his sleep too early.

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Defeats The X-Men under sixty seconds.

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One-shots Thor.

Keep in mind, that I never said anything about him in h2h.
But, do I believe that Annihilus could take him in that aspect? Probably.

Originally posted by bigbran
All that is fine and dandy, but none of those guys are as powerful as Annihilus.

Um, the High Evolutionary? Hulk? Black Bolt? 🤨

Some unusal Apoc feats:

Time manipulation.

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Creates a powerful mantis creature from nothing. It had the strength of 10 warriors in one limb.

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Phased his hand into The Harbinger, then re-arranges his insides (matter re-arrangement, or something, not sure) to turn him from an unlimited instantaneous adapter/evolver into a living mega bomb with the powers he already had developed. He will destroy New York City when he explodes.

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Reality warps Ozymandias from normal man into a being of pure stone that can move like a man.

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Creates a forcefield able to hold even pre-powerdown Exodus.

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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Um, the High Evolutionary? Hulk? Black Bolt? 🤨

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Some unusal Apoc feats:

Time manipulation.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe28.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe29.png

Creates a powerful mantis creature from nothing. It had the strength of 10 warriors in one limb.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe33.png

Phased his hand into The Harbinger, then re-arranges his insides (matter re-arrangement, or something, not sure) to turn him from an unlimited instantaneous adapter/evolver into a living mega bomb with the powers he already had developed. He will destroy New York City when he explodes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers20.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers21.png

Reality warps Ozymandias from normal man into a being of pure stone that can move like a man.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers19.png

Creates a forcefield able to hold even pre-powerdown Exodus.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, didn't see Black Bolt.

He's in this scan

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Originally posted by bigbran
I can see these, but I don't know how much they will help him...
I just showed Annihilus one-shotting Thor.

Well, if Apoc were in the same position as Thor, he could likely, as he did with Cyclops, absorb that energy blast which would augment Apoc's own strength and power, as well, he could project energy from his hands.

Overall, Apoc's best showings in strength, was when he physically restrained the Hulk, and was able to put a choke hold on his cousin. Which shows apparently that he can increase his strength surpassing that of Hulk.

And durability, he withstood the combining attacks of the Inhumans and X-Men, and HE's energy blasts didn't effect Apoc, which is honestly impressive, considering how freakishly powerful HE really is (Heck, HE stalemated Galactus).

I don't know much what Annihilus' cosmic control rod can do, besides firing energy blasts and perform matter manipulation.

Now, energy blasts, we know what Apoc can do with those. And since Apoc has total control over his body at the molecular level, matter manipulation is not going to effect him.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He's in this scan

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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Well, if Apoc were in the same position as Thor, he could likely, as he did with Cyclops, absorb that energy blast which would augment Apoc's own strength and power, as well, he could project energy from his hands.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Overall, Apoc's best showings in strength, was when he physically restrained the Hulk, and was able to put a choke hold on his cousin. Which shows apparently that he can increase his strength surpassing that of Hulk.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And durability, he withstood the combining attacks of the Inhumans and X-Men, and HE's energy blasts didn't effect Apoc, which is honestly impressive, considering how freakishly powerful HE really is (Heck, HE stalemated Galactus).

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I don't know much what Annihilus' cosmic control rod can do, besides firing energy blasts and perform matter manipulation.

Now, energy blasts, we know what Apoc can do with those. And since Apoc has total control over his body at the molecular level, matter manipulation is not going to effect him.

Or when Mags ripped him in half...

DO NOT use the Twelve Saga as a basis for comparing Apoc's power with anyone else. The entire thing was some of the worst PIS riddled writing I've ever seen. Ditto AoA Apoc losing to Magneto. And Apoc getting nuked by Black Bolt was non-canon.

I said Classic Apoc could beat Classic Annihilus, I never said anything about current. Current Apoc sucks compared to what he used to be able to do. And current Annihilus is a freaking beast.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, and what about the other time they met?
I'm not saying that is impressive, just that, a scream from Black Bolt sounds pretty weird...

You mean in HoM when Apoc was depowered?

Originally posted by bigbran
Did you just compare Cyke to Annihilus?😐

No.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor also did manage to go against an attack (with hammer) from an incredibly weak Annihilus, the second time, when he was not weak... Thor got one-shotted. Apocalypse has nowhere near the same absorbtion skills as Thor's hammer.

How do you know that exactly? I mean, it's Celestial tech in his body that allows him to absorb energy. Now, I'm not dissing Mjolnir here or anything, but we all know that anything with the Celestials are a little more "beyond". I'm not saying that Apocalypse himself is greater than Thor's hammer, but I doubt any energy would be a terrible problem for him to absorb if he has tech from, if not, the most powerful beings in the universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hmm... from this, it seems you are comparing Apoc to Galactus... if by that, one of them were pis...

Heh, you know I was actually going to say "Of course, this does not mean Apoc is strong as Galactus" and no he is not 😑

Originally posted by bigbran
What about when his head got cracked open, and out popped his real body?
Was that complete control?

Or when Mags ripped him in half...

There was another time when it was revealed that all the time he was just an old man in a robot suit....PIS writing....all of it... 😬

Hmm, forgot about this thread... just saw it as a chance to show off my new found Annil scans, but...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
How do you know that exactly? I mean, it's Celestial tech in his body that allows him to absorb energy. Now, I'm not dissing Mjolnir here or anything, but we all know that anything with the Celestials are a little more "beyond". I'm not saying that Apocalypse himself is greater than Thor's hammer, but I doubt any energy would be a terrible problem for him to absorb if he has tech from, if not, the most powerful beings in the universe.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Heh, you know I was actually going to say "Of course, this does not mean Apoc is strong as Galactus" and no he is not 😑

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
There was another time when it was revealed that all the time he was just an old man in a robot suit....PIS writing....all of it... 😬

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Classic Annihilus would definitely lose to Classic Apoc. But current Annhilus has gotten a major boost, as previously mentioned.

Annihilation feats aside, Annihilus lacks feats that put him on level with Apocalypse.

Annihilus' power boost may be some sort of retcon, maybe he got some new off panel powersource. All I know is that he's not at the same level he was.

Originally posted by llagrok
Annihilation feats aside, Annihilus lacks feats that put him on level with Apocalypse.

Annihilus' power boost may be some sort of retcon, maybe he got some new off panel powersource. All I know is that he's not at the same level he was.

Now, I'm not saying he is at Annihilation levels, but not on the level of Apoc? Lets get serious here.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He KO'ed two different Thor's with one hit, on separate occasions.
He beat Surfer.
He stopped Ghost Rider.
Wolverine's claws couldn't cut him (that's a biggy in my world).
Etc.

Now, I'm not saying he is at Annihilation levels, but not on the level of Apoc? Lets get serious here.

Uhm, yeah...

Annihilus wins.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Uhm, yeah...

Annihilus wins.

Time Manipulation? I don't see why he never used that again -.-

If Apocalypse used ALL the powers at his disposal, I don't see why he's not a high herald character. I mean, matter manip, energy absorption, reality warping, time manipulation, class 100+, etc.

I might've underestimated the old Annihilus. The one shot doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger than Thor. Spidey one shotted bulldozer and Wrecker one shotted Hulk.

Originally posted by Galan007
Apoc gets pwned is the worst possible way, ey? 313

Oh yeah. 313

Originally posted by llagrok
If Apocalypse used ALL the powers at his disposal, I don't see why he's not a high herald character. I mean, matter manip, energy absorption, reality warping, time manipulation, class 100+, etc.

....

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Oh yeah. 313