The writers i like doing magic and mysticism are, Moore, Brusiek, Morisson (Who puts a sci-fi edge on it, just look at the Invisible and the seven soldiers) and best of all Gaiman. Ellis has always been best with sci-fi elements in comics, all you have to do is read his most recent Iron man series, or the New Universal book.
Originally posted by Badabing
I've always preferred sci-fi. What was once science fiction 150 years ago is now science fact.
Originally posted by Badabing
I'm sorry that you don't see the similarities between firing a cannon in From the Earth to the Moon as to firing a rocket. The Skylark of Space, which is about interstellar travel, was written in the 1910's and published in the 1920's. Also, the Island of Doctor Moreau flirted with genetic manipulation. Da Vinci built models of flying machines in the 1400's and 1500's. Verne and Wells led a revolution in sci-fi which is still relevant today. The 1800's to the early 1900's was the onset of what was to become sci-fi. The fact remains that ideas expressed in science fiction from the 1800's and early 1900's are science fact now. Space travel, flight, computers, robots, ocean exploration, genetic manipulation, etc are now science fact.
Moreau flirted with the concept of the Chimera, Wells had no knowledge of Mendel and the unit for passing on characteristics. Watson, Crick, Wilkins and Franklin was 50 years hence. Moreau was really about undefined Science. 1910 is not 150 years ago, in fact none of the examples you have cited are. Da vinci had pedal powered flying machines. Wells etc. was the start of Sci Fi, yes. Was it relevant? yes, was it prophetic? Only in the most general terms, and most sci fi today isn't for every Clarke predicting the Geostationary Sat? Whilst it was actually being developed? You have a million space operas predicting nothing.
By Crom!
Originally posted by By Crom!
I think that Machines are more likely to do the travelling for us. I have a problem with Cryogenics called Ice Cream Brain Syndrome.
I've heard it will probably done with bio-nano hybrids, referred to as Astro chickens. they'll be tiny therefore easy to accelerate, but able to carry loads of info and maybe capable of 'replicating'.
Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
I've heard it will probably done with bio-nano hybrids, referred to as Astro chickens. they'll be tiny therefore easy to accelerate, but able to carry loads of info and maybe capable of 'replicating'.
Indeed and perhaps capable of seeding.........and collectivism............sum being greater than parts etc, a bit like a colony of termites.
Originally posted by By Crom!
Moreau flirted with the concept of the Chimera, Wells had no knowledge of Mendel and the unit for passing on characteristics. Watson, Crick, Wilkins and Franklin was 50 years hence. Moreau was really about undefined Science. 1910 is not 150 years ago, in fact none of the examples you have cited are. Da vinci had pedal powered flying machines. Wells etc. was the start of Sci Fi, yes. Was it relevant? yes, was it prophetic? Only in the most general terms, and most sci fi today isn't for every Clarke predicting the Geostationary Sat? Whilst it was actually being developed? You have a million space operas predicting nothing.By Crom!
Originally posted by willRules
By Crom! you do seem familliar.................
...............Whirlysplatt? 😖hifty:
I keep hearing about him. I don't believe he could have been as intelligent as me by Crom!
Originally posted by Badabing
I'm speaking of generalizations. The 150 years is when authors started added "science" to their fiction due to competition for new ideas. Again, the 150 years when about when the sci-fi started. I've also made numerous references to the late 1800's and early 1900's. It seems that I'm either not making myself clear 😮 or you just like arguing semantics. 🙄 Just because you don't see the relevancy in older sci-fi works does not mean they don't exist. There have been numerous documentaries and books about how early sci-fi works have impacted modern science. Space operas predicted nothing? 🤨 Check out the sci-fi movies of the 40's and 50's. Heck, watch the original Star Trek TV series. Many of the gadgets they used are in play today. Cell phones (communicators), lap and desk top computers, video phones, entire libraries on one disc, etc. Everybody gets something different from the classics all the way up to today's cutting edge sci-fi. I just see more correlations than you. Anyway, this is off topic and I don't want to spam up the thread more.
Interestingly most of the space operas people see as prophetic merely popularise ideas from more obscure sources. Star Trek's biggest claim to fame is the first black/white kiss on telly. As for non invasive medical technology, tricorders being like MRI's the idea for the tricorder is taken from an Asimov idea as is the communicator.
It's cool though, space operas popularise the prophetic. It's not really off topic either, as the thread offers competition between the two.
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By Crom!
Originally posted by By Crom!
I keep hearing about him. I don't believe he could have been as intelligent as me by Crom!Interestingly most of the space operas people see as prophetic merely popularise ideas from more obscure sources. Star Trek's biggest claim to fame is the first black/white kiss on telly. As for non invasive medical technology, tricorders being like MRI's the idea for the tricorder is taken from an Asimov idea as is the communicator.
It's cool though, space operas popularise the prophetic. It's not really off topic either, as the thread offers competition between the two.
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By Crom!
I have always liked sci-fi better than magic/mystic. The magic/mystic stories I enjoy have Religious tones such as Constantine and Hellboy or Vampire/Werewolf stories. Crom, what do like like best about sci-fi?
Originally posted by Badabing
I didn't know the the Kirk/Uhura kiss was the first interracial kiss showed on American TV until a few years ago. 😱I have always liked sci-fi better than magic/mystic. The magic/mystic stories I enjoy have Religious tones such as Constantine and Hellboy or Vampire/Werewolf stories. Crom, what do like like best about sci-fi?
My favourite Scifi novel will always be Dune, which deals with mysticism, psychology, enviromentalism, economics, politics and sociology at least as much as Science. I don't mean the awful prequels to Dune. I mean the original.
The best Sci Fi around at the moment is written by Stephen Baxter, If you have never read the Xeelee cycle read it. It's genius. The physics in it is also excellent.
As far as comics are concerned I like melting pots, where anything is possible science fiction, mysticism, street level, detective anything goes.
Alam Moore perhaps said it best;
A Telex came from Tokyo this morning. Their geneticists have reared a mouse that levitates; a glowing rabbit that can talk. Oh what a world, with super mice and atom rabbits, yet I dream of more.
I dream suburbias where every child is brave and funny, where a green-skinned scientist cackling at dusk or a journey to the sherbert-wastes of Mars are childhood commonplaces. I dream teenagers, the boys with letter sweatshirts, girls with single brush-stroke brows, in endless ice-cream parlors, never growing old or running out of flavors; dream them in moon- chilled jalopies when their sit-com day is through… the delicate perfume of sex and leatherette pervades the air, the radios playing new Gene Vincent songs, new episodes of discontinued but beloved shows.
I dream a world of heroes and exciting clothes, hood cut away to show the hair or leotards made out of flags. I dream insignia, dream lightning flashes, planets, letter, stars; of bob-cut women wearing red stilettos, ice-blue half-length capes; of men in dominos, transparent blouses, slashing elegance of line in every wrinkle, every crease. I dream a world where everyone has sidekicks and caves to keep their eerie souvenirs.
I dream of cities that old futurists would weep with joy to see, of wharfside neighborhoods where tough kids track down spies, where crumbling tenements contort to teetering and eccentric shapes that seem to spell out words against the night.
I dream a Picadilly Circus where magicians dressed in toppers, tails, or turbans wave hypnotically and conjure birds made out of steam, or scented fish or flowers that speak in verse for the delighted evening crowds. I dream of an Enbankment where tall men with somber cloaks and names like Kismet, Destiny, or Fate will entertain a passerby with stories of her life to come, or chill her blood with supernatural parables, and all the while their hatbrim-shadows hide their eyes.
I dream of rugged, mustard-yellow monsters from the deep, with vulgar and percussive names like Zax and Rul-Rah-Room. I dream a world of dreams fulfilled, a place where ecstasy and not his brother pain has run amok, and even as I dream I know my dreams are almost true, a planet of attained desire and concrete fantasy that spins and glitters, balanced on the diamond capstone of Olympus. —Alan Moore, Miracle Man #16
That's better than I could ever say it Bing my friend 🙂
Originally posted by Black Adam
Serious lack of cyberpunk in western comics.
Oh? Try out Wasteland- if you're a fan of the Fallout game series, or if you're actually interested in cyberpunk Westerns, you'd love it.
And people are acting like "science" isn't just as much of a deus ex machina as "magic" is in comics.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrThis man brings a good point, one that I whole-heartedly agree with. Science-Fiction or Magic, in the end it all boils down to story and plot devices. Science-Fiction, when written horribly, is no different than badly written Magic/Mysticism. They are interchangeable in that regard.
As long as the story is enjoyable, I don't really care that much whether it's magic or science.For example, John Ostrander's Spectre was one of my all-time favorites, despite the fact that Spectre is a magical-based character.
Strictly speaking, I personally prefer a mixture of sci-fi and magical elements and themes. Far more interesting than one isolated from the other, though I do get tired of scientific explanations for what was once supernatural (e.g., the virus-explanations for vampires in the Blade and Underworld films).