My Battles

Below I'll post some battles that I've been wondering about. Feel free to post your opinion on who would come out on top, and why you think so.

Triangle Match:

The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut

(if you wish, you can divide them up so they're 1 on 1 battles)

Let's see....

Hulk, in my opinion, probaly wins in strength. As far as intelligence/tactics go, I'd say Ben (The Thing) probaly has an advantage because he retains his normal human intellect. Whereas Juggernaut was always a bit brutish, and Hulk is impaired in his green form. Next up is durability, I'd say it's a tie between Juggernaut and The Thing, both have tough armor and can take a beating. Finally, in speed and maneuverability, Hulk probaly wins there. He can jump large gaps with ease, and can generate a considerable amount of speed. Although, the Juggernaut can also produce a ton of speed if he's charging someone.

This match could go anywhere, but I'd have to say The Thing would eventually be the winner.

Battle of the Elements:

Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman

Interesting battle, but I believe Iceman would be reduced to a puddle of water within seconds.

Batman vs. The Punisher

Depends highly on the terrain and how close they are to each other. In open terrain, especially during the day, The Punisher would probaly be able to snipe Batman. However, in close, dark conditions, Bats could get the drop on Punisher and disarm him.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman

Spiderman's got a bit more strength, both have heightened agility and senses. It'd be a close fight. Could go either way, but I think Spidey might win.

Thor vs. Superman

Wouldn't this be fun? Thor is well... a near omnipotent god, and Superman is well... he needs no explanation. However, some people don't know that Superman is weak not only to Kryptonite, but also to magical, supernatural, or energy-based attacks. I'd say Thor's control of lightning and his Hammer fall into that category.

Thor vs. Magneto

I honestly don't know where to start on this one. Both are pretty powerful, but I'd like to say Thor is probaly the more powerful of the two.

The Human Torch vs. Pheonix

I'd say Pheonix is probaly much more powerful.

Last two:
Pheonix vs. Thor
Pheonix vs. Superman

Three of the most poweful superheroes. Tough to decide.

The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut

Hulk

Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman

Iceman is an Omega I think so I see him taking this

Batman vs. The Punisher

Batman cause I think he's cooler

Daredevil vs. Spiderman

Dunno probably Daredevil

Thor vs. Superman

PreCrisis Supes would take it
Current Supes would be in trouble

Thor vs. Magneto

Magneto IMO

The Human Torch vs. Pheonix

Mismatch Pheonix takes it

Originally posted by Jason Redfield

Next up is durability, I'd say it's a tie between Juggernaut and The Thing, both have tough armor and can take a beating.

This match could go anywhere, but I'd have to say The Thing would eventually be the winner.

Not so. Infact Hulk is way more durable than Thing, plus he has a healing factor. As for Juggernaut, (Im assuming you mean classic) yes he is probably more durable than Hulk b/c of his shield, and crazy invulnrability, plus he can't be stopped. However, again Hulk has a healing factor and the angrier he gets not only does he get stronger, but it seems he gets more durable as well.

So i would say:

Hullk wins: 55%

Juggernaut wins: 44%

Thing wins: 1% (by some miracle)

I've always gone by the less-powerful Hulk. Meaning he's not near indestructable, doesn't heal rapidly, and actually has a limit. That's the problem with some of these versus matches, since there are different opinions on how strong certain heroes/villians are, and what their limits are. However, I get your point. In my opinion, I'd give Thing more of a chance.

And nimbus, what are your opinions on the other matches?

Hulk,Johnny,Punisher if he has guns,DareDevil,Thor,Magnito,Phinoex,Thor, and then Superman.

1....Juggs eventually over Hulk

2....Torch only if he gets in the first blast

3...?

4...No way DD beats Spider-man

5...Supes (booo)

6...Thor

7...O.k this is not even a challenge

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
I've always gone by the less-powerful Hulk. Meaning he's not near indestructable, doesn't heal rapidly, and actually has a limit. That's the problem with some of these versus matches, since there are different opinions on how strong certain heroes/villians are, and what their limits are. However, I get your point. In my opinion, I'd give Thing more of a chance.

And nimbus, what are your opinions on the other matches?

1. Hulk slightly, and mainly cuz Thing is involved which gives Hulk time to get real angry before having to take on Jugs alone. If it was Hulk vs. Jugs str8 up then i might go a different way.

2. Iceman 8.5/10 (he can survive as vapor, so Torch really can't affect him)

3. Batman 8/10 (Punisher will get a few victories simple due to mathematical odds. Batman can't win 100% of the time against someone as skilled as Punisher. He has lethal long range weapons, and is a great warfare tactician).

4. Spiderman 9.5/10 (The only thing DD has on him is fighting skills, and a few senses like hearing, smelling, and feel. Spiderman is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, has more stamina, is smarter, and has a spider sense which is arguably more better than DD radar sense)

5. Won't even try. 🙁

6. Thor

7. Phoenix

8. Phoenix

9. Phoenix

Originally posted by Jason Redfield

The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut

Juggs and Hulk will stalemate this forever. Hulk is probably stronger and faster, but Juggs is immune to physical attacks. So, forever, Hulk and Juggs would be exchanging blows, as Hulk has both enhanced durability and an impressive healing factor (afaik both are proportional to his rage, so would be increasing throughout the fight).

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman

While this would seem to be an awesome fight, Marvel has upped Iceman's power by some HUGE margin. He can now exist as water vapor in the air or even without a body. He can drop molecular temperatures to absolute zero. Firelord may be a better "elemental" match-up for him, although I'm not sure if Iceman is really herald level.

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Batman vs. The Punisher

In a realistic conflict, there is no way that someone with Batman's training and expertise is going to beat someone with the Punisher's. Martial artists don't beat armed special ops agents.

In a comic book setting, I think you have it right. Pun from a distance, bats in close.

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Daredevil vs. Spiderman

I agree with you on spidey, but there are lots of people who give this to DD somehow

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Thor vs. Superman

Again, I agree with your interpretation here. I think Thor takes the man of steel down.... unless he is speedblitzed... I don't know how fast Thor is 😉

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Thor vs. Magneto

With his magical powers Thor really overpowers Magneto. Although, there are scans of magneto affecting his hammer in mid flight and his forcefield withstanding a blow from Thor.

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
The Human Torch vs. Pheonix

Phoenix would probably win this, not because of her fire powers, but because of her psychic powers. Human Torch has no defense against having his brain shut down by Jean

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Last two:
Pheonix vs. Thor
Pheonix vs. Superman

There are multiple versions of Phoenix that you need to specify between on these fights. Prior to the Dark Phoenix saga, Jean was fairly powerful, but no match for either Superman or Thor

After Dark Phoenix, she became incredibly powerful, to the point where she would dominate these two (basically, she was the thing that created and ended universes).

I think there is a third version that falls in between, I've heard mentioned at Surfer level, which makes these VERY good fights, although I am going to lean to Jean for the win.

First of all, I'd like to apoligize, mostly for my lack of comic knowledge. I really don't read many comics, so I don't know any recent or not so recent upgrades, variations, etc. that have been given to any of the super heroes.

I wasn't aware Iceman could survive as water vapor. That seems a bit... awkward. I get it though.

And as for the last two fights, I'd say the Pheonix you're desribing as the third level is probaly what fits my profile of her. Not super-poweful, but still very much a force to be reckoned with.

I'd like to thank everyone for their opinions, especially nimbus and inamilist.

Ah, I just thought of two more possible matches.

Pyro vs. The Human Torch.

Quite interesting.... Could Pyro steal some of the Torch's flame? If so, I think Pyro, even if he's not as powerful, might come out on top simply because he can actually manipulate and control fire.

Destroyer vs. Magneto

I don't know how popular Destroyer is. I read about him (or rather, "it"😉 and from what I understand, it's a near indestructable, untiring, piece of evil armor that is bound with a life force. Apperantly, many heroes, naminly Thor, have gone up against it, and have never been able to defeat it head-to-head; Simply because it doesn't fatigue and is basically, as said before, indestructable. However, since it's a type of armor, I'm assuming it's made of metal, correct?

Magento manipulates metal... you get the point.

Pyro would not be able to manipulate Torch's flames b/c Torch is too fast and too powerful, making it very difficult for Pyro to concentrate hard enough to control Johnny's flame. On top of that Pyro would not be able to hurt Torch, b/c he is imune to fire, as opposed to Pyro who can be hurt by fire he does not control.

Torch takes this 10/10

Originally posted by Jason Redfield

Pyro vs. The Human Torch.

Nimbus covered this really well. Torch is what Pyro dreams about being someday

I think It would be an interesting match, I think its a really cool match, its just unfortunate that Pyro has no means of harming torch, since his only weapon is fire.

Originally posted by Jason Redfield
Destroyer vs. Magneto

Again, you have really interesting ideas behind your fights.

Magneto is amazing, but I am very skeptical that he could do anything to the Destroyer that Thor couldn't. Another thread on the main page has him against an earlier version of Darkseid, who, as far as I know, is a match for the full JLA.

i disagree if pyro can manipulate fire why cant he take control of johnny and throw him against buildings and such i still think johnny wins this but not as easy as you think

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
i disagree if pyro can manipulate fire why cant he take control of johnny and throw him against buildings and such i still think johnny wins this but not as easy as you think

thats not bad. Maybe not "throw" him, but use his own flame propulsion or whatever against him.

You are going to have a tough time convincing anyone on this board that Pyro can control Johnny's flames though.

you guys forget that Johnny also can controle other fires/flames besides his own. The battle would come down to either who is smarter (Johnny) or/and who can withstand the greatest temp.

I always wondered how it's possible for torch to breath...any explainations.

Originally posted by tru-marvell

I always wondered how it's possible for torch to breath...any explainations.

comicbook physics

or heat proof lungs

The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut
The Juggernaut either wins (via knock out or battle field removal) or perpetually stalemates the Hulk. No other outcome is possible.

Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman

Iceman. In a stomp. If you have to ask, you don't know NEARLY enough about Iceman. I'll be happy to educate you.

Batman vs. The Punisher

Batman. Another stomp. He's been taking out trained gunmen all his life. The Punisher isn't anything special to Bruce.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman
Spiderman. Class twenty strength, insane speed, spider sense, he takes a healthy majority. Let's see someone post the scan of Dardevil saying "I just can't keep up!"

Thor vs. Superman
Good fight. I usually give Thor the win due to his versatility. It will be put to the test here. If Thor uses his exotic Mjolnir powers, he'll win more often than not. If he tries to fight head on, it'll be pretty much a fifty fifty match. Unless Superman speedblitzes him.

So, Thor vs. Superman, we have A) Exotic Mjolnir powers B) Blow to blow or C) speedblitz.

In the event of A, Thor would probably win like 8-9/10. In B, it would be more or less 5/10 to either combatant. In scenario C, Superman takes a larger majority.

Thor vs. Magneto

Magneto has magnetized uru before. Not that it'll do him a ton of good, because Thor will just sap the magentic field from Erik. He's done it before. Nighty night Mags.

The Human Torch vs. Pheonix

The phoenix is a cosmic entity of the highest order. Even if you don't rate her as highly as GalacticStorm does, the Torch is still no match for her. Even Mr. Master would agree the Phoenix shit stomps Johnny.

Pheonix vs. Thor
Pheonix vs. Superman

See above. No contest.

Originally posted by Soljer
[b]The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut
The Juggernaut either wins (via knock out or battle field removal) or perpetually stalemates the Hulk. No other outcome is possible.

I don't agree. Hulk's gimmick is to get stronger the longer the fight goes on, and since his rage is potentially infinite, so is his strength. Therefore, if the fight goes on for long enough, I say Hulk would eventually become powerful enough to take Juggernaut out, even if it is by knocking him to the next galaxy.

The Thing is a bit out-classed here, I'd say.

Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman

Iceman. In a stomp. If you have to ask, you don't know NEARLY enough about Iceman. I'll be happy to educate you.

I don't know about the stomp, since I'm sure Johnny is an experienced fighter and might have few tricks up his sleeve - but I agree about the eventual outcome. [/QUOTE]

Batman vs. The Punisher

Batman. Another stomp. He's been taking out trained gunmen all his life. The Punisher isn't anything special to Bruce.

Agreed.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman
Spiderman. Class twenty strength, insane speed, spider sense, he takes a healthy majority. Let's see someone post the scan of Dardevil saying "I just can't keep up!"

Agreed.

Thor vs. Superman
Good fight. I usually give Thor the win due to his versatility. It will be put to the test here. If Thor uses his exotic Mjolnir powers, he'll win more often than not. If he tries to fight head on, it'll be pretty much a fifty fifty match. Unless Superman speedblitzes him.

So, Thor vs. Superman, we have A) Exotic Mjolnir powers B) Blow to blow or C) speedblitz.

In the event of A, Thor would probably win like 8-9/10. In B, it would be more or less 5/10 to either combatant. In scenario C, Superman takes a larger majority.

I read the JLA/Avengers cross-over where Thor and Supes battled it out, and whether it was canon or not, it was a really cool fight - so until someone shows me another cool fight like that, I'd say Supes takes it - as long as Thor chooses to meet Supes in warrior/battle combat mode, and as long as he doesn't use magic spells (his hammer and lightning doesn't count, because Thor doesn't use them as magic spells, he uses them as weapons, which Supes is strong and tougn enough to handle).

Thor vs. Magneto

Magneto has magnetized uru before. Not that it'll do him a ton of good, because Thor will just sap the magentic field from Erik. He's done it before. Nighty night Mags.

I don't know too much about exactly where each have their limits, so I'd rather not say - should be a very cool fight though. [/QUOTE]

The Human Torch vs. Pheonix

The phoenix is a cosmic entity of the highest order. Even if you don't rate her as highly as GalacticStorm does, the Torch is still no match for her. Even Mr. Master would agree the Phoenix shit stomps Johnny.

Pheonix vs. Thor
Pheonix vs. Superman

See above. No contest. [/B]

Agreed.

In response to Johnny Storm vs. Iceman -

Storm can be as experienced as he wants to be, unless he is now a molecular manipulator, he hasn't a chance in hell.

He nova's iceman, evaporates him, and all that does is put Iceman into his consciousness form.

Iceman spreads out, simultaneously exists EVERYWHERE in the world, and douses Johnny with about 1.35 E 18 tonnes of water.

Or just flash-freezes him, rips the water out of his body, or removes his head from his body.

Triangle Match:

The Hulk vs. The Thing vs. Juggernaut
Im assuming current versions, if so, Hulk wins this. Juggernaut can put up a decent fight but without the gem juggernaut is anything but unstoppable. Thing would as well edge out current juggy. Hulk is stronger, faster, and possially more durable than the other 2, hulk for the win people.
But... Classic Juggernaut would give the hulk a hell of a fight, no way hulk's beating classic juggy wihout a BFR. Thing would come in 3rd, and Classic Juggy will edge the hulk out for the win.

Battle of the Elements:

Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) vs. Iceman
Omega Iceman is way too powerfull now a days, he can survive in any envionment pretty much, and can survive in any state of matter, meaning he's still alive in a gas state. Im not sure if a super nova can take Iceman down for good, but i still give the edge to Iceman here. it would be more difficult for jonny to take down iceman, and it would be alot easier for Iceman to take down Jonny.

Batman vs. The Punisher
Punisher ftw, more ruthless and willing to kill. unless batman has prep he's not going to win.

Daredevil vs. Spiderman
Spiderman 10/10. Spidey is more agile, a hell of a lot stonger, duriable, and has spidey sence. without PIS/CIS spiderman in reaility should never lose to DareDevil, but thats just my opinion.

Thor vs. Superman
very controversial opic on this forum. But Id say thor take superman man down. Superman maybe faster than Thor, but thor is familier in fighing guys with a speed advanage, (Surfer).
Thor does also have a advantage in the figing skills department, if superman decides to go hand to hand against thor, with his thousands of years of fighting experiance, superman man will get rocked.
The Mljinor that Thor weilds gives him a imence advantage in this fight. the hammer is too versitile, and its powered by Odin. Mljinor packs potent magic that will be superman downfall.
Thor wins 7/10

Thor vs. Magneto
Its been done in comics, thor wins with little problems. Thor can absorb Magneto's sheilds with his trusty Mlijonr, after that, lights out for Maggs.

The Human Torch vs. Pheonix
not even a fight, pheonix 10/10

Last two:
Pheonix vs. Thor
Pheonix vs. Superman
Thor and Superman looses individually.

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
i disagree if pyro can manipulate fire why cant he take control of johnny and throw him against buildings and such i still think johnny wins this but not as easy as you think

To answer your question you have to understand Pyro's power.

He has the ability to manipulate (not create) fire through mental concentration.

Now, there are limits to Pyro's abilities.

1. Distance- if the flames are to far (rougly over 100yds) he cannot manipulate said fires.

2. Speed- If he can't concentrate on it b/c its going to fast (Johnny is very fast) then he can't manipulate it.

3. Power- Most importantly, Johnny is a more powerful fire manipulator than Pyro, and as such has much greater control over his own flames than Pyro could ever have.

On top of all that Torch cannot be hurt by any flames (save cosmic) that Pyro is capable of controlling. On the other hand Pyro can be hurt by external fires not in his control.

So, the result of this is Torch winning 10/10.