As long as I have nothing to do with it, I don't really care. What those pervs did does not disgrace the religion in catholicism in my opinionwel well catholic so you confess sins in the name of the lord during your so called confessions(how regrettable sinners your lot are and what numbers you toll up to be........... must be good to be part of a religion (hypocrisy )that " oh I ****ed up, well 12 ave marie and all its swell (hypocrisy) or.................a great way of ****ing up and get blessed for it by regreting it, so whats the limit, if any, of what sin to confess.............. dont know why you all aint change the name from catholic to liars
Originally posted by finti
good for you ,.......are proud of the action of the catholic church of the past as well?
Kinda unfair, wouldn't you say?
That's like saying I enjoy sex, then you ask me if I support rape.
I'm not christian and all, but the institution and the individuals are two different matters.
I have paid for the Iraq war. My friends have fought in it. I have elected officials that have supported it. Clearly I bear some responsibility.
Are we not part of something greater than ourselves? Do we not have responsibilities greater than ourselves? Surely as a Christian I thing you would feel that way. Enlightenment thinking helps me go much farther than that.
Do I feel real guilty about all this, depends on the day. I've taken steps to move the Iraq war in a direction I would like to see it go. I don't bear primary, even secondary responsibility, but I do bear some. That that responsibility is enough to demand change.
In relation to the Catholic sex scandals...incidents happen, but what we've seen is institutionalized. Moral people have a responsibility to demand change. I've not been impressed with the response.
Originally posted by AllianceIndeed we are part of something greater than ourselves and our responsiblities definitely go beyond ourselves, however, I don't expect you to feel much guilt (which is my point) because by supporting the government you are also supporting a great many good things (although I feel that is less so in America than in Canada where my taxes would go to a more social programs).
I have paid for the Iraq war. My friends have fought in it. I have elected officials that have supported it. Clearly I bear some responsibility.Are we not part of something greater than ourselves? Do we not have responsibilities greater than ourselves? Surely as a Christian I thing you would feel that way. Enlightenment thinking helps me go much farther than that.
Do I feel real guilty about all this, depends on the day. I've taken steps to move the Iraq war in a direction I would like to see it go. I don't bear primary, even secondary responsibility, but I do bear some. That that responsibility is enough to demand change.
In relation to the Catholic sex scandals...incidents happen, but what we've seen is institutionalized. Moral people have a responsibility to demand change. I've not been impressed with the response.
We do have responsibility to demand change, but it still lies on the individual, not the institution as those that fight for change are to be evaluated accordingly while those that stand idly by be evaluated according and those that fight for worse things be evaluated accordingly as well.
Originally posted by fintiWell if "12 ave marie" doesn't do it maybe we can just say "Jesus is my Lord and Saviour" then go on with business as usual. Who's hypocritical now?
wel well catholic so you confess sins in the name of the lord during your so called confessions(how regrettable sinners your lot are and what numbers you toll up to be........... must be good to be part of a religion (hypocrisy )that " oh I ****ed up, well 12 ave marie and all its swell (hypocrisy) or.................a great way of ****ing up and get blessed for it by regreting it, so whats the limit, if any, of what sin to confess.............. dont know why you all aint change the name from catholic to liars
Originally posted by Nellinator
We do have responsibility to demand change, but it still lies on the individual, not the institution as those that fight for change are to be evaluated accordingly while those that stand idly by be evaluated according and those that fight for worse things be evaluated accordingly as well.
If I'm interpreting you correctly...
If an institution sponsors a corrupt individual, the institution is as guilty as the individual. And since we can hardly expect corrupt institutions to clean themselves up, outside forces need to do it. Who better than the Catholic congregation?
Maybe its just me comming from a church where every decision was a purely democratic vote by the congregation.
Re: Who here is a catholic?
Originally posted by JacopeX
I always wonder if any one has the belief of the catholic religion and the catholic church. Those who believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven, earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our [B]Lord.By the way, yes there a differences between two religions. That have been flaws of this but it has never been proven. Therefore, this thread is proven to not be merged into the christian threads.
So is anyone here a catholic? [/B]
*raises hand*
Confirmed last month, too. w00t
And I'm damn proud of my St. Michael statue too, silly portestants with your "idolatry".
It wholly depends on how the institution came to support the individual. Hitler was a brilliant politician and did a great many good things to bring Germany out of the depression, and though the German people voted him in, they did so under many false presumptions. When something goes wrong though the people that made the choice see that something is wrong it is up to them to try and change it. However, if the majority don't see it as wrong it is no longer the others fault as they are trying their best. The fault shifts to the individuals of the majority who don't advocate change to something better. Evaluating people as individuals instead of groups is how prejudice begins. The Catholic congregration does indeed to try and stop what is happening and there are many groups within the Catholic church that are trying to just that, unfortunately the hierarchal structure (something that should not exist) within the Catholic church takes away from the voice of parishoners.
The problem nowadays is that membership is required in most churches to have a vote (for churches that have voting) and that is a bad thing in many ways, but unavoidable as free votes have been exploited by those that are not even church goers to negatively influence church policies, or so my understanding of the matter is.