Lumiya has trained for over 60 years. Longer than Mace has. And the Kaiburr Crystal is a big advantage. And for your information, ROTJ Luke was very powerful. As strong as Mace? No. But he'd have given him a hard time for sure. BTW, Shatterpoint is a common ability, Mace just has it to a much higher degree than most. It's not the end all, be all, though.
Trained with what? She has minimal Sith training from Vader, and according to Evil Never Dies she has one holocron, compare that to Mace Windu who has the ENTIRE Jedi Archives, the great holocron ect ect. So much information that he COULD master styles and create his own. And didn't your little ROTJ Luke > ROTS Anakin get shitted on?
So what if she could never Master the Darkside? As far as I know even DE Sidious never managed to do that.
And your basing this of LUMIYA's random musings on him while he was LONG dead, Considering Palpatine literally was the Dark Side I'd say he mastered it.
She doesn't have minimal Sith training. She was raised on one of Palpatine's estates and so would have recieved training for her entire life. She in her 60's by LOTF, so has more training than Mace.
Uh what are you talking about? She just an average joe who went through the Imperial Academy got discovered by Vader, trained a little auditioned for Palpatine, failed and was sent of missions to kill Luke.
Mace beat the strongest Sith ever 30 years before Sidious became that. As of ROTS he was far from all powerful. And Mace > Sidious isn't true. Mace defeated Sidious, but Sidious is still superior to him.
Uh no as I've said in the other topic Sidious was the strongest in ROTS, He probably peaked during TMP, now do his actual techniques get better? Yes, because he gets more information on how to apply his extreme power. It was always there he just didn't fully know how to use it in ridicules feats. Proof of which him moving as fast as he does in DE in Pre TMP. Mace beat the strongest ever.
Here's the bottom line. Lumiya is a masterful user of the lightwhip. Mace has never fought against a lightwhip before. Unless someone has a shoto it's almost impossible for them to defeat someone who is using a lightwhip. Mace doesn't have a shoto. Lumiya wins.
Kiel Cherny fought against Githany (the only other lightwhip user) without a shoto. LOL at your logic, "he hasn't seen so he loses" what makes you think Mace who was described as "invisible" in his duel with Kar Vastor wouldn't just lob her head off? And please has she seen Vaapad? No, therefore she loses automatically, nice logic isn't it.
Well the only reason Luke needed a Shoto was because Lumiya had Mandalorian Iron and the Kaiburr Crystal AND it was 4ABY in other words ROTJ Luke. Mace would shit on her, now its VERY probable that he has seen a lightwhipe before considering Obi Wan and Kit Fisto made one. And really Mace's Vaapad would shove every thing she puts out back in her face.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractG-canon my friend, vader is 80% of ROTJ sidious who would pwn lumiya
When did the books ever confirm that Lumiya isn't half of what Vader is?
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractUm lukes potential is the same as anakin.
Luke is twice as powerful as Vader? I would say that he is MORE than twice as powerful. I think that there was some statement by Lucas that put Anakin's potential at ten times that of Sidious, as Luke's potential is close to Anakin's.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractDid i ever say lumiya was better than mace? Sorry, you are the one who is implying that and getting smashed to pieces at the same time
[b]Your the one saying it why don't you prove it, unless having a peice of the Kaiburr crystal (So did ROTJ Luke) and training with a lightwhip = the level of Mace Windu. To answer that, no, it doesn't. Mace trained for over 40 years, perfected styles, created a new one, has the shatterpoint ability, was on of the greatest duelist EVER, Lumiya does not contend sorry. [/B]
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractBy the way, when on earth did i ever say lumiya > mace? Just for your information yoda had 800 years of experience compared to sidious 60 years of experience yet sidious beat yoda, now what was it you were saying?
Lumiya has trained for over 60 years. Longer than Mace has. And the Kaiburr Crystal is a big advantage. And for your information, ROTJ Luke was very powerful. As strong as Mace? No. But he'd have given him a hard time for sure. BTW, Shatterpoint is a common ability, Mace just has it to a much higher degree than most. It's not the end all, be all, though.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractMace beat somebody who was out-of-practise for 13 years, yet he managed to even survive was amazing
[b]Lumiya says she could never master the dark side, has minimal Sith training, Mace beat Sidious the strognest Sith ever, now unless you wanna attempt to prove Lumiya > Sidious, then, Mace > Lumiya. The ABC's actually work in this case. [/B]
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractAs far as i know, sources stated palpatine knew everything, FOC, DESB EAW etc...
So what if she could never Master the Darkside? As far as I know even DE Sidious never managed to do that.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractSo? Yoda had more training and experience than sidious
She doesn't have minimal Sith training. She was raised on one of Palpatine's estates and so would have recieved training for her entire life. She in her 60's by LOTF, so has more training than Mace.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractThats lightsaber combat
Mace beat the strongest Sith ever 30 years before Sidious became that. As of ROTS he was far from all powerful. And Mace > Sidious isn't true. Mace defeated Sidious, but Sidious is still superior to him.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractWrong, remember githany? she has a light whip and yet bane is superior to her in saber combat and mace windu knows what a lightwhip is by the way, O wait, by your logic GG should pwn all cuz he has 4 lightsabers wow
Here's the bottom line. Lumiya is a masterful user of the lightwhip. Mace has never fought against a lightwhip before. Unless someone has a shoto it's almost impossible for them to defeat someone who is using a lightwhip. Mace doesn't have a shoto. Lumiya wins.